Cochran cross-examines Detective Lange on a series of investigative gaps and evidence-handling failures: the failure to test, photograph, or document blood on the Akita dog Kato; the discovery that the Bundy glove had been moved before photographing with no report written; duplicate exhibit numbers (115-117) appearing at the same scene from different dates; and a shoe — possibly Lange's own — photographed standing in blood near the cap and glove. The examination is methodical and aimed at establishing a pattern of sloppy or incomplete investigation.
# 1 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. BE SEATED. MR. COCHRAN, PROCEED.
# 2 MR. COCHRAN: THANK YOU VERY KINDLY, YOUR HONOR.
# 3 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: WHEN WE BROKE, I BELIEVE I WAS ASKING YOU WHETHER OR NOT YOU WERE AWARE, BECAME AWARE AT SOME POINT THAT FAYE RESNICK MOVED IN WITH NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON ON OR ABOUT JUNE 3RD, 1994.
# 4 MS. CLARK: SAME OBJECTION. HEARSAY, ASSUME FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE.
# 5 THE COURT: SUSTAINED. SUSTAINED. REPHRASE THE QUESTION. YOU CAN ASK HIM IF HE CONDUCTED ANY INVESTIGATION REGARDING THE RESIDENCE.
# 6 MR. COCHRAN: THANK YOU.
# 7 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: DID YOU HAVE OCCASION TO CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT FAYE RESNICK MOVED IN THE 1ST OF JUNE, 1994 WITH NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON?
# 8 A: I DID NOT PERSONALLY.
# 9 Q: AND DID YOU HAVE SOMEONE AT YOUR DIRECTION DO THAT?
# 10 A: UNDER MY DIRECTION, NO. I BELIEVE MY PARTNER MADE THAT INTERVIEW.
KEY QUOTE # 11 Q: AND YOUR PARTNER IS VANNATTER?
# 13 Q: WHAT DID VANNATTER DO TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION?
# 14 A: HE INTERVIEWED MISS RESNICK.
# 15 Q: AND WHO WAS PRESENT DURING THAT INTERVIEW?
# 16 A: I WASN'T THERE. SO --
# 17 MS. CLARK: OBJECTION. THEN IT'S HEARSAY.
# 18 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: HAVE YOU REVIEWED THE INTERVIEW, SIR?
# 19 A: I HAVE BEEN TOLD ABOUT PORTIONS OF THE INTERVIEW. I HAVE NOT READ THE INTERVIEW.
# 20 Q: YOU HAVE NOT READ IT?
# 21 A: NO. I BELIEVE THAT IT WAS PERHAPS TAPE-RECORDED ANYWAY. I'M NOT SURE.
KEY QUOTE # 22 Q: AND YOU HAVE NOT LISTENED TO THE TAPE?
# 24 Q: AND WHERE WAS THAT INTERVIEW CONDUCTED IF YOU KNOW?
# 25 MS. CLARK: OBJECTION. HEARSAY.
# 26 MR. COCHRAN: I CAN ASK IF HE KNOWS.
# 27 MS. CLARK: HE KNOWS THROUGH HEARSAY.
# 28 THE COURT: HE INDICATED HE WASN'T HERE. I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE WITNESS.
# 29 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: ALL RIGHT. AND IT WAS YOUR PARTNER VANNATTER WHO CONDUCTED -- ALL RIGHT. YOU HAVE NEVER TALKED TO HER PERSONALLY YOURSELF?
# 30 A: JUST IN PASSING, A GREETING.
# 31 Q: BUT IN CONNECTION -- NOT ONLY JUST A GREETING, WITH CONNECTION WITH WHETHER OR NOT SHE EVER LIVED AT THAT RESIDENCE, HAVE YOU EVER QUERIED HER AT ALL?
# 33 Q: NOW, WITH REGARD TO THE AKITA, THE BROWN AKITA, KATO, DID YOU SEE THAT AKITA AT ANY TIME ON JUNE 13TH, 1994, SIR?
# 35 Q: WHEN YOU ARRIVED AT THE SCENE AFTER 4:25, WAS THE AKITA OUT IN THE STREET ANYWHERE AT THAT TIME?
# 36 A: I BELIEVE BY THAT TIME, THE ANIMAL HAD BEEN IMPOUNDED.
# 37 Q: ALL RIGHT. DID YOU HAVE AS PART OF YOUR INVESTIGATIVE DUTIES ANY TESTS OR PHOTOGRAPHS TAKEN OF ANY SUBSTANCES ON THAT AKITA?
# 38 A: THERE WAS AN EXAMINATION OF THE AKITA, BUT IT WAS NOT THAT DAY.
# 39 Q: ALL RIGHT. WAS THAT DONE IN THE COURSE OF YOUR INVESTIGATION IN THIS CASE?
# 41 Q: AND WHEN WAS THE EXAMINATION OF THE AKITA?
# 42 A: I BELIEVE IT WAS DURING THE TIME OF THE SERVICE OF THE SECOND SEARCH WARRANT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN ON JUNE 28TH, '94.
# 43 Q: AND WHERE WAS THIS EXAMINATION DONE, IF YOU KNOW?
# 44 A: AT 360 NORTH ROCKINGHAM.
# 45 Q: THE AKITA WAS BACK AT MR. SIMPSON'S HOUSE AT THAT TIME?
# 47 Q: WHAT WAS THAT DATE AGAIN, SIR?
# 48 A: I MAY BE MISTAKEN, BUT MY RECOLLECTION IS JUNE 28TH I BELIEVE AT THE TIME OF THE SERVICE OF THE SECOND SEARCH WARRANT.
# 49 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND WHAT KIND OF EXAMINATION WAS DONE AT THAT POINT, IF YOU RECALL?
# 50 A: THE ANIMAL WAS EXAMINED AS TO ITS AGGRESSIVENESS AND THERE WERE OTHER -- OTHER BEHAVIORAL TYPE TESTS DONE BY THE DOG EXPERT.
# 51 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND WHO IS THAT DOG EXPERT?
# 52 A: IT'S SERGEANT YARNELL.
# 53 Q: AND DO YOU HAVE A REPORT FROM SERGEANT YARNELL IN THE COURSE OF YOUR INVESTIGATION?
# 54 A: THERE WAS A REPORT GENERATED, YES.
# 55 Q: MAY WE SEE THAT, PLEASE?
# 56 A: I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S HERE. I BELIEVE IT WAS TURNED OVER A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
# 57 Q: TURNED OVER TO WHOM? THE D.A.'S OFFICE?
# 59 Q: AND YOU DON'T HAVE A COPY OF IT?
# 60 A: I'M NOT AWARE OF ONE. I COULD CHECK.
# 61 Q: WELL, WILL IT TAKE VERY LONG? IF YOU CAN CHECK.
# 62 A: I CAN CHECK ONE SECTION REAL QUICK HERE.
# 63 Q: YES. WOULD YOU, PLEASE?
# 64 A: I DON'T SEE IT HERE.
# 65 Q: YOU DON'T HAVE IT. BUT IT WAS BY SERGEANT YARNELL AND THAT REPORT WAS AS A RESULT OF AN EXAMINATION THAT WAS DONE ON OR ABOUT JUNE 28TH, 1994 BEST OF YOUR RECOLLECTION; IS THAT RIGHT?
# 66 A: I BELIEVE SO, YES.
# 67 Q: NOW, WHAT I HAD IN MIND THOUGH, SIR, WAS, DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT ANYONE EVER CHECKED THE BLOOD THAT WAS SUPPOSEDLY ON THIS AKITA AT A TIME BEFORE JUNE 28TH, 1994?
# 68 A: I SAW NO ONE DO THAT.
# 69 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND IN THE COURSE OF YOUR INVESTIGATION IN THIS CASE, DID YOU EVER HAVE ANY PHOTOGRAPHS TAKEN OF THE AKITA BETWEEN THE PERIOD JUNE 13TH AND JUNE 28TH, 1994?
# 71 Q: DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT YOUR CO-LEAD INVESTIGATOR VANNATTER HAD THAT DONE?
# 72 A: I DON'T BELIEVE HE DID.
# 73 Q: DID YOU IN THE COURSE OF YOUR INVESTIGATION AS THE SENIOR LEAD INVESTIGATOR IN THIS CASE OR CO-LEAD INVESTIGATOR, DID YOU HAVE OCCASION TO REVIEW THE NOTES BY MARK FUHRMAN AS THEY RELATE TO THE DOG ON THAT PARTICULAR -- THE NIGHT OF JUNE 12TH, 1994?
# 74 A: I REVIEWED SOME NOTES OF DETECTIVE FUHRMAN.
# 75 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND I WOULD -- DO YOU RECALL WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS AN INDICATION --
# 76 MS. CLARK: OBJECTION. HEARSAY.
# 77 MR. COCHRAN: MAY I FINISH, YOUR HONOR?
# 78 MS. CLARK: OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR. THIS CAN'T BE ANYTHING ELSE.
# 79 MR. COCHRAN: MAY I FINISH, PLEASE? I'LL RESTATE IT.
# 80 THE COURT: LET'S HEAR THE QUESTION, BUT IT SOUNDS SUSPICIOUS.
# 81 MR. COCHRAN: WELL, LET ME RESTATE IT.
# 82 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT.
# 83 MR. COCHRAN: I MIGHT HAVE A SUSPICIOUS QUESTION.
# 84 MS. CLARK: COULD WE HAVE AN OFFER OF PROOF THEN AT SIDEBAR?
# 85 MR. COCHRAN: MAY I JUST ASK THE QUESTION, YOUR HONOR?
# 86 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: DETECTIVE --
# 87 MS. CLARK: PERHAPS HE COULD ALLOW THE COURT TO RULE.
# 88 THE COURT: LET'S HEAR THE QUESTION. BUT BE CAUTIOUS, MR. COCHRAN.
# 89 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: DETECTIVE LANGE, AT ANY TIME, AS THE SENIOR CO-LEAD INVESTIGATOR IN THIS CASE, DID YOU EVER CONDUCT ANY TESTS OR DIRECT ANYONE TO CONDUCT ANY TESTS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE AKITA DOG ON THE NIGHT OF JUNE 12TH MAY HAVE BITTEN ANYONE?
# 90 A: SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, YES.
# 91 Q: AND WHEN WAS THAT THAT YOU CONDUCTED THESE TESTS?
# 92 A: AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE THE TESTS OF THE -- OF JUNE 28TH.
# 93 Q: DO YOU KNOW WHERE THAT AKITA HAD BEEN BETWEEN THE PERIOD OF THE 13TH AND THE 28TH OF JUNE?
# 94 A: I BELIEVE AT THE ROCKINGHAM RESIDENCE.
# 95 Q: WERE YOU PRESENT WHEN THE AKITA WAS BROUGHT BACK TO THE ROCKINGHAM ADDRESS?
# 97 Q: DID YOU SEE -- WHEN YOU WERE AT THE ROCKINGHAM ADDRESS AT ABOUT 5:30 ON JUNE 13TH, 1994, DID YOU SEE THE AKITA KATO THERE?
# 98 A: I DON'T RECALL SEEING THE DOG THERE AT THAT TIME.
# 99 Q: DOES THAT MEAN IT WASN'T THERE OR YOU DON'T RECALL SEEING IT?
# 100 A: I DON'T RECALL SEEING IT.
# 101 Q: NOW, THERE ARE TWO AKITAS AT ROCKINGHAM; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
# 103 Q: THERE'S ANOTHER AKITA -- THE BLACK DOG IS ALSO AN AKITA; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 105 Q: DID YOU FIND OUT THAT DOG'S NAME?
# 107 Q: WHAT'S THAT DOG'S NAME?
# 108 A: I BELIEVE IT'S CHA-CHI.
# 109 Q: SO THE BLACK DOG IS CHA-CHI AND THE BROWN DOG IS KATO; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 111 Q: NOW, DID YOU FIND OUT -- DO YOU KNOW IN THE COURSE OF YOUR INVESTIGATION WHO BOUGHT BOTH OF THOSE DOGS?
# 112 MS. CLARK: OBJECTION. IRRELEVANT, HEARSAY.
# 113 MR. COCHRAN: IT WILL BECOME RELEVANT, YOUR HONOR.
# 114 MS. CLARK: I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. MAY WE HAVE AN OFFER OF PROOF?
# 115 MR. COCHRAN: IT WILL BECOME RELEVANT, YOUR HONOR.
# 116 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 117 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: DID YOU FIND OUT WHO BOUGHT THOSE DOGS?
# 118 A: I HAD HEARD WHO BOUGHT THOSE DOGS.
# 119 Q: WHO BOUGHT THEM?
# 120 MS. CLARK: WELL, OBJECTION.
# 121 THE COURT: THAT'S HEARSAY.
# 122 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: WELL, HOW DID YOU MAKE THAT DETERMINATION WHO BOUGHT THE DOGS?
# 123 A: I DON'T RECALL. I JUST HEARD ABOUT WHO BOUGHT THE ANIMALS. I DON'T RECALL. THERE WAS NO SPECIFIC REASON FOR SOMEONE TO DISCUSS THAT WITH ME. I JUST HEARD THAT.
# 124 Q: DO YOU HAVE A REPORT IN THAT CONNECTION?
# 125 A: AS TO WHO BOUGHT THE DOGS?
# 126 Q: AS TO WHO BOUGHT THE DOGS.
# 128 Q: NOW, ON JUNE 28TH, WHEN SERGEANT YARNELL WAS THERE, WERE BOTH AKITAS THERE AT THAT POINT?
# 130 Q: IN THE COURSE OF YOUR INVESTIGATION, DID YOU ASCERTAIN WHETHER OR NOT THE AKITA KATO HAD AT SOME POINT LIVED -- PRIOR TO JUNE OF 1994, HAD LIVED AT 360 NORTH ROCKINGHAM?
# 132 Q: NEVER MADE THAT DETERMINATION?
# 134 Q: DO YOU KNOW OR IN THE COURSE OF YOUR INVESTIGATION, DID YOU ASCERTAIN WHEN THE AKITA KATO WAS PURCHASED?
# 136 Q: WERE YOU PRESENT WHEN SERGEANT YARNELL DID WHATEVER TESTS HE DID ON THE 28TH?
# 137 A: I WAS AT THE LOCATION. I DID NOT OBSERVE THE ENTIRE EXAMINATION, BUT I SAW HIM WITH THE ANIMAL.
# 138 Q: DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT HE TOOK ANY PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE AKITA KATO THAT DAY?
# 140 Q: DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT HE TOOK ANY PHOTOGRAPHS OF HIS TEETH OR GUMS?
# 142 Q: NOW, WHILE WE'RE ON THE SUBJECT OF DOGS, DID YOU EVER USE ANY DOG TO HELP YOU IN YOUR INVESTIGATION ON OR ABOUT JUNE 13TH, 1994? DID YOU USE SUCH AS ANYTHING LIKE A SCENT DOG AT ALL? DID YOU EVER DO THAT IN YOUR INVESTIGATIONS?
# 144 Q: YES. A DOG THAT WOULD SEEK TO PICK UP A SCENT OF SOME INDIVIDUAL.
# 146 Q: HAVE YOU EVER DONE THAT IN THE COURSE OF YOUR INVESTIGATION?
# 148 Q: NOW, WITH REGARD TO THE DOG KATO ON THAT NIGHT, YOU LOOKED INSIDE THE INTERIOR OF THAT RESIDENCE; DID YOU NOT?
# 150 Q: DID YOU SEE ANY BLOODY PAW PRINTS INSIDE THE INTERIOR OF THE RESIDENCE?
# 152 Q: DID YOU SEE ANY BLOODY PAW PRINTS THAT WENT WESTERLY TOWARD THE REAR GATE OF THAT PARTICULAR RESIDENCE?
# 154 Q: YOU SAW PAW PRINTS; DID YOU NOT?
# 155 A: I SAW WHAT I BELIEVED TO BE PAW PRINTS, YES.
# 156 Q: AND THE PAW PRINTS THAT YOU SAW MOVED IN AN EASTERLY DIRECTION FROM THE FRONT GATE OUT TOWARD THE SIDEWALK; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 158 Q: AND THEN DID THEY MAKE A TURN, A RIGHT TURN TO GO KIND OF SOUTHBOUND ON BUNDY?
# 160 Q: THEN DO THEY MAKE A RIGHT TURN TO GO KIND OF WESTBOUND ON DOROTHY FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME?
# 162 Q: YOU NEVER SAW ANY PAW PRINTS EITHER GOING INSIDE THE INTERIOR OR IN THAT LONG WALKWAY THERE ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE, DID YOU?
# 164 Q: WHILE WE'RE ABOUT IT, AS THE INVESTIGATING OFFICER, CAN YOU TELL US, SIR, THE DISTANCE, THE APPROXIMATE DISTANCE FROM THE FRONT GATE OF BUNDY THAT WE TALKED SO MUCH ABOUT TO THE REAR GATE AT BUNDY? HOW FAR IS THAT IN FEET?
# 165 A: I BELIEVE IT'S APPROXIMATELY ONE HUNDRED AND TEN FEET.
# 168 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND TO THE SIDEWALK OF BUNDY TO THE REAR GATE WOULD BE ABOUT HOW FAR?
# 169 A: I THINK PERHAPS A HUNDRED AND TWENTY FEET. I BELIEVE THE LENGTH FROM THE SIDEWALK TO THE ALLEY IS APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED AND TWENTY FEET. SO I COULD ONLY ESTIMATE FROM THERE.
# 170 Q: ALL RIGHT. SO FROM THE SIDEWALK, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SIDEWALK ON BUNDY RIGHT THERE TO THE REAR GATE; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 172 Q: WOULD BE ABOUT A HUNDRED AND TWENTY FEET?
# 173 A: IT MAY BE LESS BECAUSE AGAIN, I BELIEVE THE SIDEWALK TO THE REAR ALLEY IS APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED AND TWENTY. I HAVE A SCHEMATIC THAT WOULD GIVE US A SCALED DISTANCE. BUT IF YOU'RE ASKING MY RECOLLECTION, IT'S PROBABLY A HUNDRED TO A HUNDRED AND TEN FEET, SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
# 174 Q: I WOULD LIKE -- AND I THINK WE WOULD ALL WANT YOUR BEST RECOLLECTION IF YOU CAN GIVE IT TO US, SIR.
# 175 A: WELL, IT WOULD BE -- IT WOULD BE IF I WOULD LOOK AT MY SCHEMATIC, CERTAINLY THAT WOULD TAKE --
# 176 Q: IF THAT'S NOT TOO MUCH TROUBLE. CAN YOU DO THAT?
# 179 DET. TOM LANGE: LOOKING AT THE GROUND FLOOR SCHEMATIC ON BUNDY --
# 180 MR. COCHRAN: MAY I APPROACH, YOUR HONOR?
# 181 THE COURT: YES. BOTH COUNSEL MAY APPROACH.
# 182 DET. TOM LANGE: TO POINT OUT ON THE SCHEMATIC, THE SIDEWALK IS AT AN ANGLE. SO AS AN ESTIMATE, FROM THE REAR GATE TO THE FRONT SIDEWALK IS AN ESTIMATE I WOULD SAY A HUNDRED AND TWENTY FEET.
# 183 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: ALL RIGHT. AND LOOKING AT -- YOU'RE REFERRING TO A SCHEMATIC, WHICH WE WILL NOT MARK, YOUR HONOR, BUT THERE'S A SCHEMATIC IN HIS HOMICIDE BOOK. AND PURSUANT TO THAT SCHEMATIC, YOUR BEST ESTIMATE AT THIS POINT IS AT ABOUT A HUNDRED TWENTY FEET FROM THE FRONT OF THE SIDEWALK OF BUNDY TO THE REAR GATE OF BUNDY; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 185 Q: ALL RIGHT. I BELIEVE YOU HAD INDICATED THE OTHER DAY THAT THE INTERCOM INSIDE THE HOUSE WORKED. SO SOMEONE STANDING OUTSIDE THAT GATE COULD SPEAK TO SOMEONE INSIDE THAT HOUSE; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 187 Q: BUT YOU HAD TRIED TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THE FRONT GATE -- IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO OPEN THE FRONT GATE FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE. IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? YOU TRIED TO DO THAT?
# 189 Q: AND DID YOU HAVE THE HELP OF ANYONE ELSE WHEN YOU TRIED TO DO THAT?
# 191 Q: AND THE CONCLUSION YOU CAME TO, IT WAS INOPERABLE AT THE TIME YOU TESTED IT?
# 192 A: WAS ABLE TO GET A SOUND, A CLICKING SOUND OUT OF IT, BUT WE COULDN'T GET THE RELEASE TO WORK PROPERLY.
# 193 Q: ALL RIGHT. NOW, YOU HAD NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE THAT TIME; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 195 Q: AND WHAT DATE DID YOU DO THIS TEST TO TRY TO DETERMINE WHAT WAS OPERABLE?
# 196 A: INITIALLY ON THE 13TH AND IT WAS DONE SUBSEQUENT TO THAT.
# 197 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND DID YOU HAVE ANYONE EVER FROM THE BROWN FAMILY TO ASSIST YOU IN THAT AT ALL, IN THE COURSE OF YOUR TRYING TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT IT WORKED?
# 198 A: I DON'T BELIEVE THE BROWN FAMILY WAS THERE WHEN WE DID THIS.
# 199 Q: YOU BELIEVE THEY WERE?
# 200 A: I BELIEVE THEY WERE NOT THERE.
# 201 Q: OKAY. YOU BELIEVE THEY WERE NOT?
# 203 Q: SO AT THE TIMES ACTUALLY YOU TRIED IT, THE INTERCOM WORKED, BUT YOU COULD NOT RELEASE THE -- GET THE FRONT GATE OPENED FROM INSIDE THE RESIDENCE. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?
# 205 Q: IN THE COURSE OF YOUR INVESTIGATION IN THIS CASE, DID YOU EVER HAVE OCCASION TO GO TO MR. RONALD GOLDMAN'S HOME?
# 206 A: I PERSONALLY DID NOT.
# 207 Q: DID ANYONE UNDER YOUR DIRECTION GO THERE?
# 209 Q: AND WHO WAS THAT?
# 210 A: DETECTIVES TIPPIN AND CARR.
# 211 Q: TIPPIN AND CARR?
# 213 Q: IS THAT T-I-P-P-I-N?
# 217 Q: DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THEY FOUND OUT WHETHER -- WAS THERE A SHOWER AND BATH AT MR. GOLDMAN'S HOME?
# 218 A: THERE WAS A SHOWER AND BATH?
# 220 A: I BELIEVE THERE WAS.
# 221 Q: WERE -- DID YOU TAKE, HAVE A DRAWING MADE OF THE INTERIOR OF THAT RESIDENCE?
# 222 A: I BELIEVE THERE WERE PHOTOGRAPHS TAKEN. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS A SCHEMATIC.
# 223 Q: WHEN -- DO YOU RECALL WHEN TIPPIN AND CARR WENT TO THE RESIDENCE OF MR. GOLDMAN?
# 224 A: NO, I DON'T RECALL SPECIFIC DATE.
# 225 Q: IN THE COURSE OF YOUR INVESTIGATION, DID YOU ASCERTAIN WHETHER OR NOT HE HAD A ROOMMATE ON THE DATE OF JUNE 12TH, 1994?
# 226 A: I DON'T BELIEVE HE DID.
# 227 Q: NOW, DID HE DRIVE A VEHICLE TO THE BUNDY LOCATION, IF YOU KNOW, THAT NIGHT?
# 229 Q: AND WHAT KIND OF VEHICLE WAS THAT?
# 230 A: I BELIEVE IT WAS A TOYOTA.
# 231 Q: AND DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THAT VEHICLE BELONGED TO HIM?
# 233 Q: IT BELONGED TO SOME OTHER PERSON?
# 235 Q: WHERE, IF ANY, IN RELATION TO THE ADDRESS 875 SOUTH BUNDY DID YOU FIND THIS VEHICLE PARKED IF YOU FOUND IT SO PARKED?
# 236 A: IT WAS PARKED ON DOROTHY STREET ON THE NORTH SIDE OF DOROTHY FACING IN A WESTERLY DIRECTION NEAR THE ALLEY.
# 237 Q: FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF DOROTHY FACING A WESTERLY DIRECTION TOWARD THE ALLEY?
# 238 A: WESTERLY DIRECTION AND THAT WOULD BE WEST OF BUNDY.
# 239 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND THE ALLEY THAT RUNS BEHIND BUNDY THERE; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 241 Q: AT WHAT POINT AND ON WHAT DAY DID YOU DISCOVER THIS VEHICLE BELONGING TO MR. GOLDMAN OR THAT MR. GOLDMAN HAD DRIVEN THERE?
# 242 A: IT WAS DISCOVERED ON THE 13TH.
# 245 Q: YES. WHAT TIME OF DAY, SIR?
# 246 A: I BELIEVE IT WAS APPROXIMATELY 3:00 P.M.
# 247 Q: NOW, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WHEN YOU FIRST SAW THIS -- THE GLOVE AND THE KNIT CAP AT BUNDY, THEY WERE UNDER SOME FOLIAGE OR PLANTS OR PLANT; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 249 Q: AND HAVE YOU RECENTLY BEEN TO BUNDY? HAVE YOU BEEN THERE -- YOU WERE OUT THERE WITH THE JURY VIEW; WERE YOU NOT?
# 251 Q: AND THAT PLANT THAT THE GLOVE AND THE KNIT CAP WERE UNDER APPEARS MORE FULL ON THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAN IT APPEARED AT THE TIME THE JURY VIEW. WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT?
# 252 A: IT APPEARED ABOUT THE SAME TO ME. PERHAPS -- APPEARED ABOUT THE SAME.
# 253 Q: APPEARED ABOUT THE SAME TO YOU?
# 255 MR. COCHRAN: ALL RIGHT. LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET ONE OF THE EXHIBITS, YOUR HONOR. YOUR HONOR, I WOULD ASK MR. DOUGLAS, IF THE COURT PLEASES, TO PUT 56-A ON THE --
# 256 (EXHIBIT FALLS ON COURT REPORTER.) # 257 THE COURT: AND HE DID AN EXCELLENT JOB. YOU FOLKS ARE DETERMINED TO MAKE TODAY EXCITING.
# 259 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COUNSEL.
# 260 MR. COCHRAN: YOUR HONOR, IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE THE DETECTIVE STEP DOWN?
# 261 THE COURT: YES. WHY DON'T YOU TAKE THE POINTER THERE, DETECTIVE.
# 262 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: WITH REGARD TO 56-A, JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS WHILE WE'RE HERE. THE PLANT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE FOLIAGE THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS I GUESS DEPICTED IN 56 -- IS THAT THE SAME ONE THERE IN 56-C?
# 265 A: NO. I BELIEVE IT'S BELOW THAT.
KEY QUOTE # 266 Q: ALL RIGHT. WELL, LET'S LOOK --
# 267 A: THERE'S ONE HERE.
# 268 Q: OKAY. LET'S LOOK THEN AT 56-I. IT'S DEPICTED IN 56-I, IS THAT RIGHT, RIGHT HERE (INDICATING)?
# 269 A: APPEARS TO BE, YES.
# 270 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND IN THAT CONNECTION, THERE -- WHAT IS DEPICTED IN 56-I APPEARS TO BE SOME DARK OBJECT AND WHAT APPEARS TO BE PERHAPS A GLOVE. AND IS THIS PHOTOGRAPH 56-I FOR IDENTIFICATION WITH A 103 MARKED THEREON, YOUR HONOR, IS THAT A FAIR AND ACCURATE PORTRAYAL OF THE WAY YOU FIRST SAW THIS CAP AND GLOVE ON THAT PARTICULAR DAY?
# 271 A: IT'S IN THE GENERAL AREA, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S IN THE EXACT LOCATION I OBSERVED.
# 272 Q: AND HAD THIS CAP AND GLOVE AT SOME POINT BEEN MOVED THAT MORNING?
# 273 A: I BELIEVE THE GLOVE WAS.
# 274 Q: AND WAS IT MOVED AFTER MR. GOLDMAN'S BODY WAS MOVED?
# 275 A: YES. I BELIEVE SO.
# 276 Q: DID YOU EVER WRITE A REPORT INDICATING THAT THE GLOVE HAD BEEN MOVED AT ALL?
# 278 Q: WERE YOU AWARE AT THE TIME THAT THE GLOVE HAD BEEN MOVED?
# 279 A: NOT AT THE TIME, NO.
KEY QUOTE # 280 Q: WHEN DID YOU BECOME AWARE OF IT? WHEN THE TRIAL STARTED?
# 281 A: NO. WHEN I OBSERVED THE PHOTOGRAPH OF THE GLOVE IN A DIFFERENT POSITION.
KEY QUOTE # 282 Q: WHEN YOU OBSERVED IT IN A DIFFERENT POSITION, WHY DIDN'T YOU WRITE A REPORT AT THAT TIME?
# 283 A: BECAUSE I DON'T NEED TO WRITE A REPORT. I HAVE THE PHOTOGRAPHS.
KEY QUOTE # 284 Q: BUT YOU DID NOT WRITE A REPORT?
# 285 A: I DIDN'T OBSERVE IT BEING MOVED. I HAD NO PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE OF IT BEING MOVED. ALL I HAD WERE THE PHOTOGRAPHS, AND FOR MY CERTAIN PURPOSES, THEY SPOKE FOR THEMSELVES.
# 286 Q: ALL RIGHT. NOW, DID YOU TELL US THE OTHER DAY THAT YOU FELT THAT WHEN EVIDENCE HAD BEEN MOVED, THE BEST PROCEDURE WOULD BE TO TRY TO DOCUMENT THAT IF YOU COULD OF HOW AND WHY IT HAD BEEN MOVED? IS THAT A CORRECT STATEMENT?
# 287 A: YES. AND THE DOCUMENTATION IN MY MIND IS THE PHOTOGRAPHS.
# 288 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND SO -- AND THEY ARE.
# 289 MS. CLARK: WELL, PERHAPS THE WITNESS COULD BE ALLOWED TO RESUME THE WITNESS STAND FOR THE EXAMINATION.
# 290 MR. COCHRAN: WELL, I AM NOT FINISHED WITH IT YET. I'M NOT FINISHED WITH THIS YET.
# 291 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: SO WITH REGARD TO -- SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR, WITH REGARD TO 56-I, 103, THERE'S NEVER BEEN A REPORT WRITTEN ABOUT IT BEING MOVED; IS THAT RIGHT?
# 292 A: THERE'S NO REPORT.
# 293 Q: OKAY. WITH REGARD TO THE ENVELOPE THAT'S DEPICTED IN 56 -- 56-J, IN THE COURSE OF YOUR LOOKING AT PHOTOGRAPHS, DID YOU ASCERTAIN THAT IT ALSO HAD BEEN MOVED AT SOME POINT?
# 295 Q: AND WOULD I BE CORRECT IN ASSUMING THERE IS NO REPORT WITH REGARD TO THAT EITHER? IS THAT CORRECT?
# 297 Q: ALL RIGHT. NOW, THIS PLANT THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HERE IN 56-I, IS IT YOUR TESTIMONY THAT THIS PHOTOGRAPH, 56-I, WHICH WAS TAKEN I PRESUME SOMEWHERE AROUND JUNE 13TH IN THE EARLY MORNING HOURS, IS A FAIR REPRESENTATION OF HOW THAT PLANT LOOKED AT THAT TIME? IS THAT CORRECT?
# 298 A: THAT'S A CLOSE-UP VIEW OF THE PLANT. PERHAPS A FAIRER REPRESENTATION WOULD BE ONE FROM THE BACK. BUT I WOULD SAY SO, YEAH. FOR WHAT WE HAVE, YEAH.
# 299 Q: THIS IS WHAT I HAVE, ALL RIGHT? AND SO BASED UPON WHAT I HAVE HERE, IS THAT A FAIR REPRESENTATION THE WAY THAT PLANT LOOKED?
# 300 A: BASED UPON WHAT YOU HAVE HERE.
# 301 Q: ALL RIGHT. NOW, WHEN YOU WENT OUT THERE ON THAT SUNDAY THE DAY OF THE JURY VIEW, DOES THAT LOOK TO YOU ABOUT THE SAME FULLNESS WITH REGARD TO THAT PLANT THAT YOU SAW THAT DAY?
# 302 A: ONCE AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SHOT A LITTLE FARTHER AWAY. AGAIN, IT APPEARS TO BE ABOUT THE SAME, YEAH.
# 303 Q: ALL RIGHT. YOU THINK IT'S ABOUT THE SAME? I NOTICE THERE'S SOME BLOOD SPATTERS, APPARENTLY SOME BLOOD SPATTERS ON THAT PLANT. DID YOU DO ANY TESTING ON THOSE BLOOD SPATTERS?
# 304 A: THERE WERE BLOOD SPATTERS EVERYWHERE AND NOT EVERY PLANT LEAF WAS COLLECTED, NO.
# 305 Q: THAT'S NOT WHAT I ASKED YOU. I ASKED, DID YOU DO ANY TESTING OR HAVE ANY TESTING DONE REGARDING THE BLOOD SPATTERS ON THIS PARTICULAR PLANT DEPICTED IN 56-I?
# 306 A: I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WAS DONE.
# 307 Q: ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I WAS ASKING. LET ME --
# 308 MR. COCHRAN: YOUR HONOR, FOR THE RECORD, WE'RE NOW LOOKING AT 45-A.
# 309 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: I JUST WANT TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION BRIEFLY TO 45-A, PEOPLE'S 45-A FOR IDENTIFICATION, AND I WANT TO ASK YOU JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS REGARDING -- LET'S START WITH 45-D. YOU SEE 45-D HERE? IT WOULD APPEAR TO BE A PAIR OF WHITE SHOES I GUESS ON THE LANDING ABOVE WHERE THE SIMPSON BODY WAS AND A PAIR OF BLACK SHOES. FIRST OF ALL, LET'S TAKE THE WHITE SHOES. DO YOU KNOW WHOSE SHOES THOSE WERE STANDING THERE?
# 310 A: I COULD HAZARD TO GUESS.
# 311 Q: WELL, LET'S SEE. YOU WERE OUT THERE THAT DAY AND YOU SAW WHO WAS WEARING WHITE. WHO DO YOU THINK THOSE SHOES BELONGED TO?
# 312 A: I BELIEVE THEY BELONGED TO THE PHOTOGRAPHER, MR. ROKAHR.
# 315 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND NOW THESE BLACK SHOES ARE NOT VERY DESCRIPTIVE, BUT CAN YOU TELL US WHOSE SHOES THOSE ARE?
# 316 A: I BELIEVE THEY'RE MINE.
KEY QUOTE # 317 Q: SO YOU RECOGNIZE YOUR OWN SHOES?
# 318 A: I BELIEVE I'M WEARING THEM.
# 319 Q: SAME SHOES. LET'S SEE. I WOULD LIKE TO MARK THOSE IN EVIDENCE. NO. KIDDING. SO AT ANY RATE, THESE ARE YOUR SHOES AND THESE ARE ROKAHR'S SHOES; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 321 Q: BEST YOU CAN RECALL?
# 323 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND, YOUR HONOR, WE'LL HAVE ONE MORE. AND YOU ARE AWARE, ARE YOU NOT, THAT YOU CAN NOT ALWAYS SEE FOOTPRINTS WITH THE NAKED EYE. YOU ARE AWARE OF THAT, AREN'T YOU?
# 324 A: I'M SORRY. CAN'T ALWAYS WHAT?
# 325 Q: YOU ARE AWARE THAT YOU CAN NOT ALWAYS SEE FOOTPRINTS WITH THE NAKED EYE. ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT?
# 326 A: IT WOULD DEPEND ON LIGHTING AND ANGLE, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY POSSIBLE THAT YOU MIGHT NOT SEE ALL OF THEM, YES.
# 328 MR. COCHRAN: YOUR HONOR, IF I MIGHT, WE'RE NOW REFERRING TO 56 -- 54, PEOPLE'S 54 AGAIN.
# 329 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU ONE QUESTION ABOUT 54. DO YOU RECOGNIZE THIS SHOE STANDING RIGHT HERE ADJACENT TO THE PLANT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER? DO YOU RECOGNIZE THAT BLACK SHOE?
# 330 A: THAT'S THE SAME TYPE AS I HAVE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MINE.
# 331 Q: THAT'S NOT A POLICE ISSUED SHOE, IS IT?
# 333 Q: ALL RIGHT. SO IS THAT YOUR SHOE?
# 334 A: AS I SAID, IT MAY BE BECAUSE I HAVE THOSE TYPES OF SHOES.
# 336 MR. COCHRAN: YOUR HONOR, FOR THE RECORD, WE'RE LOOKING AT PEOPLE'S 54-2.
# 337 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: AND THAT SHOE IS STANDING RIGHT IN THE GROUTING WHERE THERE'S SOME BLOOD IN THE GROUTING ADJACENT TO THE PLANT WHERE WE CAN SEE THE CAP AND GLOVE. IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT?
# 339 Q: THAT'S YOU? APPEARS TO BE A MAN'S SHOE?
# 341 Q: AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S YOUR SHOE OR NOT?
# 343 Q: IT'S SIMILAR, THE SAME SHOES YOU'RE WEARING, RIGHT?
# 345 Q: ALL RIGHT. NOW, LET ME ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS REAR GATE AT BUNDY.
# 346 MR. COCHRAN: AND WE'LL REFER NOW, YOUR HONOR, TO 53-A.
# 347 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: YOU HAVE PREVIOUSLY DESCRIBED FOR US SOMETHING ABOUT THESE LITTLE CARDS AND HOW THESE NUMBERS ARE PLACED ON VARIOUS EXHIBITS. I WANT YOU TO LOOK FIRST OF ALL AT 53-B, AND I SEE A 115 AND 116. HOW ARE THOSE NUMBERS PLACED THERE, IF YOU RECALL?
# 348 A: THOSE ARE PLACED BY THE CRIMINALIST.
# 349 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND THE CRIMINALIST SELECTS A PARTICULAR NUMBER AND THEN THERE'S A PHOTOGRAPH TAKEN OF THAT PARTICULAR -- WHATEVER THEY'RE SEEKING TO DEPICT THERE; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 351 Q: AND SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR FOR PERSPECTIVE FOR THE JURY, THIS 115 AND 116, IS THIS THE REAR GATE?
# 353 Q: AND THERE'S ALSO A 117; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 355 Q: NOW, IN THE COURSE OF YOUR INVESTIGATION IN THIS CASE, THERE WAS OTHER -- THERE WAS ANOTHER 115 AND 116 NUMBERS SOMEWHERE AT THAT SCENE; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
# 356 A: I DON'T KNOW. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN.
# 357 Q: OKAY. AND YOU MAY WANT TO USE BOTH OF THESE. NOW, I WANT TO SHOW YOU -- AND I CAN SHOW YOU BOTH OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME IF YOU'D LIKE.
# 358 MR. COCHRAN: I'LL PUT THEM BOTH UP AT THE SAME TIME, IF WE CAN, YOUR HONOR, SO THE RECORD IS CLEAR. MR. DOUGLAS IS SAFELY HOLDING 53-A.
# 359 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: SIR, I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT 53-A. I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS -- YOU SEE THIS 115, 116, 117 WHICH YOU'VE TOLD US IS THE REAR GATE AT BUNDY; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
# 361 Q: NOW, I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR EXHIBIT, WHICH IS 48-A, ET CETERA. AND YOU SEE THIS 115 HERE?
# 363 Q: WHICH IS 48-G, WHICH PURPORTS TO BE A BLOOD DROP. NOW, THIS 115 HERE, WHAT IS THAT 115?
# 364 A: IT'S A PHOTO IDENTIFICATION NUMBER APPARENTLY PUT DOWN BY THE PHOTOGRAPHER AND THE CRIMINALIST.
# 365 Q: SO LET'S SEE. ARE YOU SAYING WE HAVE TWO 115'S?
# 366 A: I BELIEVE THESE WERE TAKEN ON DIFFERENT DAYS.
# 367 Q: THAT'S NOT WHAT I ASKED YOU. DO WE HAVE TWO 115'S?
# 368 A: THAT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS TO ME, YES.
KEY QUOTE # 369 Q: ALL RIGHT. SO THIS 115 HERE IS A BLOOD DROP; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 371 Q: AND THE 115 BACK HERE IS ALLEGEDLY A BLOOD DROP ON THE REAR GATE; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 372 A: IT APPEARS TO BE THAT WAY.
# 373 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND IS THERE ALSO -- THERE'S A 117. NOW, IS 117 ALLEGEDLY A BLOOD DROP THAT WAS COLLECTED SUPPOSEDLY AT THE REAR OF THE RESIDENCE?
# 375 Q: AND THAT WAS PLACED THERE BY THE PHOTOGRAPHER?
# 376 A: I'M ASSUMING THAT IT IS.
# 377 Q: WELL, YOU RECOGNIZE THAT LITTLE CARD, DON'T YOU?
# 378 A: THAT'S THE TYPE OF CARD THE PHOTOGRAPHER WOULD PUT DOWN, YES.
# 379 Q: ALL RIGHT. NOW -- AND OVER HERE, IF WE LOOK AT 117, THERE'S A 117 HERE WITH REGARD TO THE FENCE; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 381 Q: NOW, WAS THAT A SEPARATE PHOTOGRAPHER OR WAS IT JUST A MISTAKE MADE? HOW DO WE HAVE THE SAME NUMBERS?
# 382 A: TWO DATES, TWO DIFFERENT TIMES, TWO DIFFERENT PHOTOGRAPHERS.
# 383 Q: LET ME SEE IF I UNDERSTAND THIS. YOU MEAN TO TELL ME THAT IF I -- YOU TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS ON ONE DAY, LET'S SAY ON JUNE 13TH, USE 115, 116, 117, THAT YOU COME BACK ON LET'S SAY JULY 3RD AND USE THE SAME NUMBERS?
# 385 Q: IS THAT ACCEPTED PROCEDURE, SIR?
# 386 A: NO, I DON'T MEAN TO TELL YOU THAT, BUT YOU MAY WANT TO ASK THAT OF THE MAN WHO DID IT.
# 387 Q: ALL RIGHT. BUT YOU ARE TELLING US ABOUT SEPARATE DATES. SO YOU'RE THE INVESTIGATOR. I'M JUST ASKING YOU AT THIS POINT. I DON'T HAVE HIM YET. SO WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTED PROCEDURE IN LOS ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT, PROCEDURE --
# 388 MS. CLARK: WELL, OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR. HE INDICATED HE DOESN'T KNOW.
# 389 MR. COCHRAN: WELL, I'M GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION.
# 390 MS. CLARK: AND COUNSEL IS CONTINUING TO ASK QUESTIONS OF THIS WITNESS AND HE HAS ALREADY INDICATED HE DOESN'T KNOW.
# 391 THE COURT: SO WHAT'S THE OBJECTION? FOUNDATION?
# 392 MS. CLARK: FOUNDATION. THANK, YOU, YOUR HONOR.
# 393 MR. COCHRAN: I WOULD LIKE TO ASK HIM A FOUNDATIONAL QUESTION.
# 394 THE COURT: THEN FOUNDATIONAL QUESTION.
# 395 MR. COCHRAN: CERTAINLY.
# 396 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: WITH REGARD TO HOW THESE NUMBERS ARE GIVEN OUT BY A PHOTOGRAPHER, IT'S TRUE, IS IT NOT, THAT IF ONE USED A -- IF ONE WERE A PHOTOGRAPHER AND ONE USED A 115, A 116 AND A 117 ON JUNE 13TH, THAT AT A LATER DATE, YOU USED SEQUENTIAL NUMBERS, YOU WOULD START WITH 118, 119, 120; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
# 397 A: I CAN'T SAY THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS REASONING WAS.
# 398 Q: WELL, YOU'VE BEEN A HOMICIDE INVESTIGATOR FOR SOME 20 YEARS; HAVE YOU NOT?
# 399 MS. CLARK: YOUR HONOR, OBJECTION. IT'S ARGUMENTATIVE.
# 400 MR. COCHRAN: I WANT TO ASK HIM A QUESTION.
# 401 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 402 MR. COCHRAN: IF HE'S EVER --
# 403 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: HAVE YOU EVER --
# 404 MS. CLARK: OBJECTION. YOUR HONOR --
# 405 THE COURT: OVERRULED, COUNSEL.
# 406 MS. CLARK: I'M SORRY. I COULDN'T HEAR THE COURT'S RULING.
# 407 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: HAVE YOU EVER IN YOUR CAREER EVER SEEN A SITUATION WHERE THE PHOTOGRAPHER USES THE SAME NUMBERS FOR DIFFERENT PICTURES AT THE SAME CRIME SCENE?
# 408 MS. CLARK: OBJECTION. IRRELEVANT.
# 409 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 410 MS. CLARK: BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THIS WITNESS' KNOWLEDGE.
# 411 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 412 DET. TOM LANGE: I HAVE NO -- I DON'T RECALL. I MAY HAVE IN 20 YEARS. I DON'T KNOW.
# 413 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: WELL, DO YOU KNOW OR NOT, SIR?
# 416 A: I DON'T RECALL SEEING THAT. IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT IT HASN'T HAPPENED BEFORE.
# 418 A: I -- AGAIN, THE PERSON TO ASK WOULD BE THE PHOTOGRAPHER. HE MAY HAVE A REASON FOR DOING THIS. I DON'T KNOW.
# 419 Q: ALL RIGHT. WELL, NOW, AS THE INVESTIGATING OFFICER IN THIS CASE, THE MAN IN OVERALL CHARGE AT BUNDY, RIGHT, DID YOU EVER ASK HIM WHY HE NUMBERED THE SAME NUMBERS FOR DIFFERENT BLOOD DROPS AT THE SAME SCENE? DID YOU EVER ASK HIM THAT?
# 420 A: I DON'T BELIEVE THAT EVER CAME UP.
# 421 Q: ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU. YOU CAN RESUME YOUR SEAT.
# 422 MR. COCHRAN: NOW, I'M GOING TO HELP MR. DOUGLAS MOVE THIS OVER, THIS TIME SAFELY.
# 423 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: NOW, THE GLOVE AT BUNDY THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT UNDER THOSE -- UNDER THAT PARTICULAR PLANT, WAS THAT A RIGHT OR LEFT-HANDED GLOVE?
# 425 Q: AND YOU'VE HAD OCCASION TO EXAMINE THAT GLOVE; HAVE YOU NOT? YOU'VE LOOKED AT IT?
# 426 A: I LOOKED AT IT BRIEFLY AT THE SCENE AND WAS TOLD NOT TO TOUCH IT BY THE CRIMINALIST. ASIDE FROM THAT, I THINK THE NEXT TIME I SAW IT WAS RIGHT HERE IN COURT.
# 427 Q: ALL RIGHT. HAVE YOU EVER HAD OCCASION TO LOOK AT THAT GLOVE AND MAKE A DETERMINATION OF WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE ANY CUTS ON THE FINGER, OUTSIDE FINGER PORTION OF THAT GLOVE?
# 428 A: I DID NOT PERSONALLY, NO.
KEY QUOTE # 429 Q: YOU NEVER LOOKED AT THAT?
# 431 Q: AS AN INVESTIGATOR, DID YOU EVER HAVE ANY INTEREST IN LOOKING AT THAT?
# 432 A: I WOULD HAVE AN INTEREST IN THE CRIMINALIST LOOKING AT THAT AND WHEN IT WAS EXAMINED.
# 433 Q: AND DID THE CRIMINALIST LOOK AT IT AS FAR AS YOU KNOW?
# 434 A: I BELIEVE IT WAS EXAMINED, YES.
# 435 Q: AND YOU'VE SEEN SOME REPORTS IN THAT CONNECTION; HAVE YOU NOT?
# 437 Q: AND THERE ARE NO CUTS ON THAT LEFT GLOVE, IS THERE? ARE THERE?
# 438 MS. CLARK: OBJECTION. OBJECTION.
# 439 MR. COCHRAN: IF HE KNOWS.
# 440 THE COURT: SUSTAINED. SUSTAINED.
# 441 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: ALL RIGHT. WHEN MISS CLARK SHOWED YOU THAT GLOVE I GUESS LAST WEEK HERE IN COURT, DID YOU LOOK AT IT THEN?
# 443 Q: DID YOU SEE ANY CUTS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THIS LEFT GLOVE, LEFT-HANDED GLOVE WHICH WAS PURPORTEDLY FOUND AT BUNDY? DID YOU SEE ANY?
# 445 MS. CLARK: OBJECTION. THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY.
# 446 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 447 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: NOW, WITH REGARD TO THE EYEGLASSES AND THE ENVELOPE --
# 448 MR. COCHRAN: YOUR HONOR, MAY WE APPROACH JUST A MINUTE ON THIS AREA?