ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. BE SEATED. ALL RIGHT. LET THE RECORD REFLECT WE'VE NOW BEEN REJOINED BY ALL THE MEMBERS OF OUR JURY PANEL. DETECTIVE TOM LANGE IS STILL ON THE WITNESS STAND ON CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR. COCHRAN. DETECTIVE LANGE, GOOD AFTERNOON.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

AND YOU ARE AGAIN REMINDED YOU ARE STILL UNDER OATH. MR. COCHRAN, YOU MAY CONTINUE.

THANK YOU VERY KINDLY, YOUR HONOR. YOUR HONOR, I WOULD LIKE AT THIS POINT TO HAVE PLACED ON THE ELMO A PHOTOGRAPH WHICH I BELIEVE IS A DUPLICATE OF 62-E. AND I'LL ALSO -- I'LL ASK THE WITNESS SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, 62-E.

BY MR. COCHRAN: NOW, CAN YOU SEE THAT ON THE -- ON YOUR MONITOR, DETECTIVE LANGE?

YES.

AND WITH REGARD TO PLAINTIFF'S EXHIBIT 62-E FOR IDENTIFICATION, IS THAT A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE WAY THIS BRONCO WAS PARKED, THAT YOU SAID WAS KIND OF JUTTING OUT FROM THE CURB?

YES.

AND LET'S TAKE A LOOK ALSO -- AS WE LOOK AT 62-E, LET'S LOOK AT DEFENDANT'S 1037.

ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE MARKING THIS NEXT IN ORDER, 1037, MR. COCHRAN?

YES, YOUR HONOR. I WOULD ASK THAT THIS BE MARKED DEFENDANT'S 1037, NEXT IN ORDER.

ALL RIGHT.

BY MR. COCHRAN: AND IS THAT A FAIR AND ACCURATE PORTRAYAL OF HOW THIS VEHICLE WAS JUTTING OUT FROM THE CURB?

THE DEPTH PERCEPTION ISN'T ALL THERE, BUT YES, THAT APPEARS TO BE THE WAY IT WAS.

ALL RIGHT. NOW, WHEN YOU WERE AT THE ROCKINGHAM LOCATION, YOU HAD AN OFFICER THERE OR OFFICERS THERE WHO SOUGHT TO SECURE THIS PARTICULAR VEHICLE; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

I BELIEVE THERE WERE OFFICERS THERE TO DO THAT. I DIDN'T SPEAK WITH THEM.

AND THEIR JOB, HOWEVER, WAS TO TRY -- AND WAS ONE OF THE OFFICERS THERE GONZALEZ AND ASHTON --

I BELIEVE THOSE WERE THE NAMES, YES.

AND THEIR JOB WAS TO TRY TO MAKE THAT VEHICLE SECURE UNTIL SUCH TIME IT WAS TO BE TOWED AWAY OR IMPOUNDED OR WHATEVER; IS THAT CORRECT?

YES.

AND I WANT TO BRING UP AND MARK AS DEFENDANT'S -- WE'LL CALL THIS DEFENDANT'S 1038.

I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS PHOTOGRAPH, YOUR HONOR. EXCUSE ME, YOUR HONOR. MAY I ASK THAT COUNSEL TAKE IT DOWN? I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO --

YES.

COUNSEL HAS NOW SEEN THAT, YOUR HONOR. THERE'S NO PHOTOGRAPHS. I DON'T HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH OF THIS. THIS IS D-1038. MAY WE NOW SHOW IT, YOUR HONOR?

ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PRINT THAT?

WE'RE GOING TO SEE.

ALL RIGHT.

BY MR. COCHRAN: ALL RIGHT. NOW, DETECTIVE LANGE, DO YOU SEE THE BRONCO THERE IN THE FOREGROUND?

YES.

DO YOU SEE A TOW TRUCK IN THE REAR PART OF THAT PHOTOGRAPH?

YES.

SEE THAT LADY STANDING UP CLOSE TO THE VEHICLE THERE?

YES.

WHEN YOU HAD LEFT ROCKINGHAM EARLIER THAT MORNING, THE OFFICERS GONZALEZ AND ASHTON WERE IN CHARGE OF SECURING THE BRONCO AND KEEPING PEOPLE AWAY FROM IT, WERE THEY?

I LEFT APPROXIMATELY 6:45 A.M. I'M NOT CLEAR ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAD ARRIVED AT THAT TIME.

WELL, AT SOME POINT, YOU BECAME AWARE THAT PHILLIPS HAD CALLED FOR THEM TO COME OVER AND PROVIDE SECURITY AT SOME POINT; IS THAT CORRECT?

I DON'T RECALL IF PHILLIPS DID THAT.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT TIME OF DAY THAT VEHICLE WAS TOWED AWAY ULTIMATELY ON JUNE 13TH?

NO.

DO YOU HAVE ANY RECORDS THAT WOULD ASSIST YOU IN THAT?

I WASN'T AT THE LOCATION. I SUPPOSE ONE COULD CHECK THE IMPOUND REPORT.

ONE COULD DO WHAT?

ONE COULD CHECK THE IMPOUND REPORT. I WASN'T AT THE LOCATION, SO I DON'T KNOW.

COULD ONE DO THAT FOR US RIGHT NOW?

ONE COULD.

OKAY. I'LL ASK ONE TO DO THAT.

IS THERE GOING TO BE A HEARSAY OBJECTION ON THAT?

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE FIRST OF ALL WHAT HE'S GOING TO PRODUCE. AND THEN I'LL --

THERE ARE TWO -- TWO IMPOUND REPORTS.

APPROACH?

DETECTIVE, WOULD YOU SHOW THOSE TO COUNSEL, PLEASE?

THERE WOULD BE A HEARSAY OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR.

MAY I FINISH READING IT, YOUR HONOR?

CERTAINLY.

MR. HARRIS, WERE YOU SUCCESSFUL IN PRINTING THAT OUT?

YES, YOUR HONOR.

GOOD. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. COUNSEL, BEFORE WE SPEND A WHOLE LOT MORE TIME ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, SINCE DETECTIVE LANGE HAS TESTIFIED HE WASN'T THERE WHEN IT WAS TOWED, MY INCLINATION IS TO SUSTAIN THE HEARSAY OBJECTION.

MAY I MOVE ON, YOUR HONOR?

PLEASE.

BY MR. COCHRAN: ONE OTHER QUESTION WITH RESPECT TO THAT, DETECTIVE LANGE. WHEN YOU LEFT TO GO BACK OVER TO THE BUNDY LOCATION IN THE EARLY MORNING HOURS, THE VEHICLE WAS STILL AS DEPICTED IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS WE'VE SHOWN THE JURY; IS THAT CORRECT?

IT WAS STILL AT THE LOCATION, YES.

AND ALTHOUGH YOU HAVE SOME IMPOUND REPORTS, YOU ARE NOT THE PERSON WHO COULD TELL US WHAT TIME THAT VEHICLE WAS ACTUALLY TOWED; IS THAT CORRECT?

YES.

IN LOOKING AT THE PHOTOGRAPH ON THE BOARD THAT'S NOW BEEN PRINTED, YOU CAN'T TELL US WHO THAT LADY IS, RIGHT?

I HAVE NO IDEA.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. YOUR HONOR, AND WE'LL GET THE APPROPRIATE WITNESS ON THAT.

BY MR. COCHRAN: NOW, WITH REGARD TO --

I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW COUNSEL A DOCUMENT ENTITLED "CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATION CHECKLIST" AND MARK THAT AS DEFENDANT'S NEXT IN ORDER, 10 --

39.

-- 39, SHOW IT TO COUNSEL.

BY MR. COCHRAN: WHILE SHE'S LOOKING AT THAT, WHEN YOU WERE AT THE ROCKINGHAM LOCATION, AFTER YOU HAD BEEN TOLD BY PHILLIPS THAT FUHRMAN HAD TOLD HIM THAT MR. SIMPSON HAD BEEN INVOLVED IN A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SITUATION EARLY IN THE MORNING, SO YOU WENT OVER THERE, DO YOU RECALL THAT?

YES.

HOW LONG WERE YOU AT THAT LOCATION ALTOGETHER BEFORE YOU LEFT TO COME BACK OVER TO BUNDY?

I MISUNDERSTOOD. HOW LONG WAS I AT BUNDY BEFORE WE LEFT --

NO. HOW LONG WERE YOU AT ROCKINGHAM BEFORE YOU -- FROM THE TIME YOU GOT THERE TO THE TIME YOU LEFT, HOW LONG WERE YOU AT ROCKINGHAM?

APPROXIMATELY AN HOUR AND 40 MINUTES.

ALL RIGHT. AND DURING THIS HOUR AND 40-MINUTE PERIOD OF TIME, YOU SHARED WITH US SOME OF THE EVENTS THAT TOOK PLACE WITH REGARD TO THE NOTIFICATION OF THE BROWN FAMILY AND OTHER THINGS. DO YOU RECALL THAT?

YES.

AND YOU SHARED WITH US I THINK YESTERDAY THAT AT SOME POINT, FUHRMAN CAME TO YOU AND ESCORTED YOU OUT AND AROUND THE SIDE, THE GARAGE SIDE OF THE ROCKINGHAM RESIDENCE. DO YOU RECALL THAT?

YES.

AND WERE YOU THE FIRST OFFICER SO ESCORTED AROUND THERE?

NO.

DO YOU REMEMBER THE SEQUENCE OF OFFICERS, IF ANY, WHO WERE ESCORTED AROUND BY FUHRMAN?

I BELIEVE PHILLIPS. I BELIEVE PHILLIPS MIGHT HAVE BEEN FIRST AND THEN VANNATTER AND THEN MYSELF.

AND DO YOU HAVE THAT WRITTEN DOWN SOMEPLACE?

NO.

IF VANNATTER HAS INDICATED HE WAS FIRST, WOULD HE BE WRONG?

NOT NECESSARILY. I JUST DON'T HAVE AN INDEPENDENT RECOLLECTION. THAT'S JUST MY BELIEF. I COULD BE WRONG.

TRYING TO GET YOUR BEST RECOLLECTION NOW.

THAT'S WHAT I'M GIVING YOU.

AND YOUR BEST RECOLLECTION NOW IS THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT PHILLIPS WAS FIRST, THAT YOU WERE SECOND?

IT SEEMED TO BE THAT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THAT WAY. MAYBE IT WASN'T. I WASN'T REALLY PAYING THAT MUCH ATTENTION. I HAD OTHER THINGS ON MY MIND AT THE TIME.

ALL RIGHT. YOU HAD OTHER THINGS ON YOUR MIND. I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO AS YOU SIT HERE NOW, YOU DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU WERE SECOND OR THIRD, DO YOU?

IT SEEMS TO ME I WAS PERHAPS THE LAST ONE, BUT I MIGHT BE MISTAKEN. I DON'T KNOW.

ALL RIGHT. SO HOW MANY WENT BACK THERE ALTOGETHER IF YOU WERE THE LAST ONE?

I BELIEVE THAT PHILLIPS, VANNATTER AND MYSELF ALL WENT BACK AT DIFFERENT TIMES.

SO YOUR PRESENT RECOLLECTION NOW IS THAT YOU MAY HAVE BEEN THE THIRD OFFICER IN THE SEQUENCE OF THREE TAKEN BACK BY FUHRMAN; IS THAT RIGHT?

AGAIN, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT IT WAS, BUT PERHAPS IT WASN'T. AGAIN, I DIDN'T PAY ANY ATTENTION TO THAT.

AND YOU HAVE NO REPORT THAT WOULD REFRESH YOUR RECOLLECTION ON THAT, RIGHT?

I WOULDN'T HAVE A REPORT LIKE THAT.

NOW, WHEN YOU WENT BACK TO THIS LOCATION, WERE ANY PHOTOGRAPHS TAKEN WHEN YOU WERE BACK THERE THAT PARTICULAR MORNING?

THE PHOTOGRAPHER HADN'T ARRIVED WHEN I WAS THERE. I HAD LEFT BEFORE THE PHOTOGRAPHER ARRIVED.

SO THE ANSWER IS NO, THERE WERE NO PHOTOGRAPHS TAKEN?

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND YOU DESCRIBED THE AREA AS -- WHAT TIME WAS IT THAT YOU WERE TAKEN BACK THERE BY FUHRMAN?

APPROXIMATELY 6:25 PERHAPS. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY.

AND WAS THE SUN UP BY THAT TIME?

IT WAS BEGINNING TO GET LIGHT. A LITTLE HARD TO TELL IF THE SUN WAS ALL THE WAY UP.

ALL RIGHT. YOU DESCRIBED FOR US THAT AREA WAS KIND OF DARK BECAUSE OF THE FOLIAGE OVER THERE; IS THAT CORRECT?

YES.

AND YOU -- DID YOU HAVE THE USE OF YOUR FLASHLIGHT WHEN YOU WENT BACK THERE?

I DON'T RECALL IF I HAD MY FLASHLIGHT OR NOT.

HOW CLOSE DID YOU GET TO THE LOCATION THAT FUHRMAN WAS TAKING YOU TO?

TO THE GLOVE?

YES.

APPROXIMATELY PERHAPS SIX FEET.

AND YOU NEVER GOT ANY CLOSER THAN THAT?

YOU NEVER TOUCHED THE GLOVE THAT MORNING?

NO.

IN ONE OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS, THERE'S A STICK THAT WAS SOMEWHERE AROUND THE LOCATION. WE SAW IT BRIEFLY YESTERDAY. I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS MARKED. DO YOU REMEMBER SEEING THAT STICK -- A STICK SOMEWHERE OUT IN AND AROUND ROCKINGHAM THAT MORNING?

YES.

WHERE WAS THE STICK?

THERE WAS A PIECE OF SPLINTERED WOOD IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO, WHITE IN COLOR. IT WAS LOCATED ON THE PARKWAY ADJACENT TO THE BRONCO.

AND WAS THIS STICK ULTIMATELY BOOKED INTO EVIDENCE?

YES.

BY WHOM, IF YOU KNOW?

I WASN'T THERE WHEN IT WAS COLLECTED. I'M ASSUMING FUNG.

AND I BELIEVE YESTERDAY WE SHOWED SOME PHOTOGRAPHS THAT HAD SOME KIND OF A BLUE OBJECT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE. DO YOU REMEMBER SEEING THAT BLUE OBJECT AT ALL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE TO THE RIGHT OF THE FENCE AT ROCKINGHAM?

I DIDN'T RECALL SEEING ANY BLUE OBJECT WHEN I WAS THERE.

AND DID YOU SEE A PHOTOGRAPH YESTERDAY THAT HAD SUCH A BLUE OBJECT?

I MAY HAVE SEEN A PHOTOGRAPH.

DOES THAT REFRESH YOUR RECOLLECTION AT ALL?

PERHAPS IF YOU SHOWED IT TO ME.

I'LL MARK THIS AS DEFENDANT'S NEXT IN ORDER, YOUR HONOR. SHOW IT TO COUNSEL. D-103 -- 1040.

1040.

(DEFT'S 1040 FOR ID = PHOTOGRAPH OF BLUE OBJECT) MR. COCHRAN: AND I'LL MARK THE STICK AS D-1041.

SHOWING THEM BOTH TO COUNSEL. YOUR HONOR, I'LL PLACE D-1040 ON THE BOARD, ON THE ELMO.

BY MR. COCHRAN: NOW, TAKE A LOOK AT D-1040. NOW, IS THAT THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION THAT YOU RECALL THAT YOU SAW THIS GLOVE IN THE EARLY MORNING HOURS OF JUNE 13TH, 1994?

IT APPEARS TO BE. THAT'S KIND OF A CLOSE-IN SHOT THAT --

THAT'S CLOSER THAN YOU WERE TO THAT; IS THAT RIGHT?

THE SHOT APPEARS TO BE CLOSER, YES, IF IT'S SIX FEET.

ALL RIGHT. DO YOU -- LOOK TO THE RIGHT OF THAT. DO YOU SEE SOME KIND OF A -- DO YOU SEE A CARD AND THEN SOME KIND OF A BLUE OBJECT TO THE RIGHT OF THE FENCE?

YES.

DO YOU REMEMBER SEEING THAT THAT MORNING?

NO, I DON'T.

AND SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR, THE -- CAN YOU SEE -- CAN YOU LOOK AT THE BOARD FOR A MINUTE, LOOK WITH THE BIG SCREEN? THAT AREA IN THERE IS THE AREA THAT APPEARS TO BE THE BLUE, KIND OF BLUE PACKAGE OR WHATEVER?

YES.

AND THEN HERE IS SOME KIND OF EVIDENCE CARD; IS THAT CORRECT? CAN YOU SEE THAT?

IT APPEARS TO BE AN EVIDENCE CARD, YES.

ALL RIGHT. SO AT SOME POINT, THAT BLUE CONTAINER WAS BOOKED; IS THAT CORRECT?

I BELIEVE SO. I WASN'T THERE, BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS.

ALL RIGHT. NOW, WITH REGARD TO THIS GLOVE AT THAT LOCATION, DID YOU CHECK OR WERE YOU ABLE TO FIND OUT WHETHER THERE WAS ANY BLOOD OR ANY BLOOD SPOTS AROUND THAT GLOVE THAT'S INDICATED IN THIS LAST EXHIBIT, D-40 -- 1040 RATHER?

I WOULDN'T HAVE CHECKED THAT. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BY THE CRIMINALIST.

ALL RIGHT. DO YOU KNOW IF THE CRIMINALIST DID THAT?

I WASN'T THERE.

ALL RIGHT. DO YOU KNOW IN ANY OF THE REPORTS, SINCE YOU'RE THE LEAD INVESTIGATOR IN THIS CASE, WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE ANY BLOOD DROPLETS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN AND AROUND THIS AREA WHERE THIS GLOVE WAS ALLEGEDLY FOUND?

I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE.

ALL RIGHT. WHAT ABOUT ON THE FENCE? DID YOU FIND ANY BLOOD SPOTS OR ANYTHING, ANY SMEARS ON THIS FENCE TO THE RIGHT OF WHERE THAT GLOVE WAS ALLEGEDLY FOUND?

I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY.

ALL RIGHT. AND YOU ARE THE INVESTIGATOR, RIGHT, STILL?

BUT I MEAN, I PRESUME IN THIS CASE, BOTH BUNDY AND ROCKINGHAM ARE PART OF THIS CASE NOW; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

CERTAINLY.

AND YOU ARE ONE OF THE INVESTIGATORS. YOU KNOW WHAT TOOK PLACE AT BOTH PLACES, DON'T YOU?

I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH ROCKINGHAM AS BUNDY BECAUSE I INVESTIGATED BUNDY AND MY PARTNER INVESTIGATED ROCKINGHAM.

ALL RIGHT. WILL DETECTIVE VANNATTER FAVOR US WITH HIS APPEARANCE BEFORE TOO LONG?

I DON'T KNOW.

ALL RIGHT. BUT AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO BLOOD ON THAT FENCE, RIGHT?

AS FAR AS I KNOW, THAT'S CORRECT.

AND NO BLOOD BACK IN THIS AREA, THIS WALKWAY AREA, RIGHT?

I DIDN'T OBSERVE ANY.

AND VANNATTER IS STILL YOUR PARTNER IN THIS CASE. YOU'RE CO-LEAD INVESTIGATORS, RIGHT?

THAT IS CORRECT.

ALL RIGHT. NOW, WITH REGARD TO 1041 --

YOUR HONOR, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING THAT UP NEXT.

BY MR. COCHRAN: THIS IS -- I'M GOING TO ASK YOU WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS THE STICK THAT YOU DESCRIBED OUT IN THE PARKWAY?

PIECE OF SPLINTERED WOOD THAT I OBSERVED IN THE PARKWAY, YES.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, YOU WANT TO CALL IT SPLINTERED WOOD? OKAY. THE SPLINTERED WOOD. WHERE DID YOU FIND THIS SPLINTERED WOOD ON THE PARKWAY?

THAT WAS THE PARKWAY NORTH OF THE ROCKINGHAM GATE AND ADJACENT TO THE BRONCO, I GUESS IT WOULD BE EAST OF THE BRONCO.

AND THAT -- BECAUSE OF THAT LAPD RULER THERE OR WHATEVER, WAS THAT -- THAT WAS TAKEN, A PHOTOGRAPH TAKEN BY THE LAPD, RIGHT?

YES.

AND THIS SPLINTERED WOOD WAS BOOKED INTO EVIDENCE; WAS IT NOT?

I BELIEVE SO.

WERE ANY TESTS RUN ON THAT SPLINTERED WOOD?

I BELIEVE SO.

WAS IT NEGATIVE FOR BLOOD OR DO YOU KNOW?

I BELIEVE IT WAS NEGATIVE FOR BLOOD AS WELL AS PRINTS.

NEGATIVE FOR BLOOD AND PRINTS?

I BELIEVE SO.

BY THE WAY, THIS MORNING, WHEN I WAS TALKING TO YOU ABOUT THESE REEBOK TENNIS SHOES, YOU TOLD US THAT YOU HAD THESE REEBOK TENNIS SHOES TESTED FOR BLOOD ON THEM. REMEMBER THAT?

YES.

THERE'S NO BLOOD ON THOSE TENNIS SHOES, WAS THERE?

NO.

DO YOU HAVE A REPORT TO THAT EFFECT?

NO.

WHEN IT'S NEGATIVE FOR BLOOD, THEY DON'T WRITE A REPORT. IS THAT WHAT HAPPENS?

WHEN IT'S NEGATIVE FOR A PHENOL, THAT'S CORRECT, PRESUMPTIVE TEST.

YOU STILL HAVE THOSE SHOES, DO YOU, IN POLICE CUSTODY?

I BELIEVE THEY'RE IN EVIDENCE.

NOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE ARRIVAL OF THE CRIMINALISTS AT THE BUNDY SCENE AND WE KNOW THAT AT SOME POINT IN ADDITION TO THE CRIMINALISTS, SOME TECHNICIANS CAME FROM SID TO DO THE FINGERPRINTING AND THE DUSTING; IS THAT CORRECT?

YES.

AND IN THAT CONNECTION, I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU PEOPLE'S 84, ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT PHOTOGRAPH. DO YOU RECOGNIZE THE YOUNG LADY IN THE FOREGROUND OF PEOPLE'S 84?

YES.

AND SHE SEEMS TO BE WEARING SOME GLOVES ON HER HANDS; IS THAT CORRECT?

YES.

AND DID SHE BRING THOSE WITH HER OR WERE THOSE PROVIDED BY YOU THAT MORNING?

SHE BROUGHT THOSE WITH HER.

AND SHE'S WEARING -- AND I DON'T -- I CHOOSE NOT TO USE THE WORD BOOTIES. SHE'S WEARING SOME COVERS FOR HER SHOES, ISN'T THAT CORRECT, SHOE COVERINGS?

YES.

AND THAT MORNING OUT THERE, AS YOU SAW THESE TECHNICIANS DOING THEIR WORK, THEY WERE GARBED IN WHITE WITH GLOVES ON AND WITH THEIR SHOES COVERED; IS THAT CORRECT?

YES.

YOU DIDN'T SEE MR. FUNG, THE CRIMINALIST, WITH ANY COVERS ON HIS SHOES, DID YOU?

NO.

DID YOU SEE MR. FUNG --

YOUR HONOR, OBJECTION. VAGUE AS TO TIME. WHEN?

THAT MORNING WHEN HE WAS OUT THERE AT BUNDY.

OVERRULED.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

BY MR. COCHRAN: DID YOU SEE -- YOU NEVER SAW FUNG WITH ANY COVERINGS ON HIS SHOES, RIGHT, THAT MORNING?

I NEVER OBSERVED ANY, NO.

DO YOU RECALL WHETHER OR NOT HE WAS WEARING GLOVES AT ANY TIME THAT MORNING?

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER HE WAS WEARING GLOVES OR NOT.

ALL RIGHT. DO YOU RECALL WHETHER OR NOT THE TWO INDIVIDUALS FROM THE CORONER'S OFFICE WERE EVER WEARING COVERINGS ON THEIR SHOES THAT MORNING, JUNE 13TH, 1994?

I DON'T RECALL THEM WEARING COVERINGS.

AND OF COURSE, YOU WERE NOT WEARING ANY SHOE COVERINGS YOURSELF?

NO.

DO YOU EVER REMEMBER SEEING DETECTIVE PHILLIPS WITH ANY SHOE COVERINGS THAT MORNING?

NO.

WAS HE WEARING GLOVES AT ANY TIME THAT MORNING?

GENERALLY IF ONE WAS GOING TO HANDLE EVIDENCE, THEY WOULD BE WEARING GLOVES, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE HE DID. I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE THOUGH.

ALL RIGHT. WHAT ABOUT FUHRMAN? DO YOU RECALL HIM WEARING EITHER SHOE COVERINGS OR GLOVES?

I DON'T BELIEVE HE HAD SHOE COVERINGS AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE GLOVES.

NOW, YESTERDAY, YOU TESTIFIED ABOUT THE CONDITION OF MISS NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON'S FEET AND YOU WERE SHOWN SOME PHOTOGRAPHS. DID YOU EVER PHOTOGRAPH THE SOLES OF HER FEET THAT PARTICULAR MORNING BEFORE HER BODY WAS TAKEN AWAY?

I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS A DIRECT SHOT OF THE SOLES.

DID YOU EVER WALK AROUND AND LOOK AT THE SOLES OF HER FEET THAT MORNING?

YES.

AND WHERE DID YOU -- WHERE DID YOU -- HOW DID YOU ACCOMPLISH THAT?

I BELIEVE THAT WAS AT THE TIME THAT THE BODY WAS MOVED.

AND WITH REGARD TO HER LEG -- AND I'M REFERRING NOW TO DEFENDANT'S -- STRIKE THAT -- PLAINTIFF'S 80.

PUT IT ON THE ELMO, YOUR HONOR, PLAINTIFF'S 80.

BY MR. COCHRAN: THAT IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF MISS NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON'S LOWER PART OF HER BODY AND HER RIGHT AND LEFT LEG AND FOOT; IS THAT CORRECT?

YES.

AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY DIRECT-ON SHOT OF HER -- THE BOTTOM OF HER FEET; IS THAT CORRECT?

THAT'S CORRECT.

THE -- WHAT IS THAT UNDER -- IS THAT HER RIGHT LEG IN THE FOREGROUND?

THE FOREGROUND IS THE RIGHT LEG, YES.

AND WHAT IS THAT UNDER THE RIGHT LEG THERE?

THERE'S A THAI FAST FOOD TAKE-OUT RESTAURANT MAILER MENU.

AND WITH REGARD TO THE LEG, AS YOU MOVE UP THE -- WAS THE RIGHT LEG, THERE APPEAR TO BE SOME MARKS ON THE LEG AS THOUGH -- WAS THAT EVER DUSTED FOR PRINTS, THAT PART OF HER LEG THAT I -- CAN YOU STEP DOWN AND SEE WHAT I'M CIRCLING NOW? THERE APPEAR TO BE SOME LITTLE MARKS --

THE LEG TESTED FOR PRINTS?

ON THE RIGHT LEG. WAS ANYTHING DUSTED IN THAT AREA?

ON THE BODY ITSELF?

YES, ON THE BODY.

NO.

NOT AT ALL?

NO.

ALL RIGHT. SO THAT WHEN THAT BODY WAS TAKEN TO THE CORONER'S OFFICE, YOU SAW IT ON THE NEXT DAY, DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THE CRIMINALIST MAHANEY OR ANYONE ELSE DID ANYTHING WITH REGARD TO WHAT APPEARS TO BE SOME SPOTS ON THE RIGHT LEG THERE?

I BELIEVE THERE WAS BLOOD REMOVED BY THE CRIMINALIST FROM THE LEG.

AND WHAT CRIMINALIST WAS THAT?

THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN MAHANEY.

MAKANEY?

MAHANEY.

AND DO YOU HAVE A REPORT FOR THAT?

I BELIEVE SO.

CAN YOU FIND THAT? CAN YOU LOOK IT UP?

YES.

MAY I APPROACH, YOUR HONOR?

YES. MISS CLARK.

I JUST HAVE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS IN THIS AREA, YOUR HONOR.

BY MR. COCHRAN: WITH REGARD TO THE DOCUMENT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU, IT'S AN INDICATION THAT SOME BLOOD TESTING WAS DONE REGARDING SCRAPINGS ON THE RIGHT THIGH AND RIGHT CALF BY MAHANEY?

OF NICOLE SIMPSON, YES.

OF NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON?

YES.

OKAY. BY THE WAY, WHILE YOU WERE AT THE -- EITHER AT THE AUTOPSY OR SOMETIME YOU WERE AT THE CORONER'S OFFICE, WAS ANYTHING DONE WITH REGARD TO THE FINGERNAILS OF NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON?

I BELIEVE THERE WAS SAMPLES TAKEN.

SOME CLIPPINGS FROM UNDER HER FINGERNAILS?

I BELIEVE SO.

FROM BOTH FINGERNAILS ON BOTH HANDS OR ON WHAT HAND? CAN YOU TELL?

I DON'T KNOW. I WOULD ASSUME BOTH HANDS. WITHOUT CHECKING, I COULDN'T TELL YOU.

IF YOU HAD WANTED TO HAVE A RAPE KIT DONE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, YOU COULD HAVE ASKED THE CORONER, ISN'T THAT CORRECT, AS THE INVESTIGATING OFFICER?

I SUPPOSE I COULD HAVE ASKED. I WOULD HAVE HAD NO REASON TO DO THAT.

I'M NOT ASKING YOU THAT. I'M ASKING, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK IF YOU WANTED TO; IS THAT CORRECT?

I SUPPOSE I CAN ASK, YES.

ALL RIGHT. YOU'VE DONE THAT IN OTHER CASES; HAVE YOU NOT?

CASES WHERE RAPE IS FAIRLY OBVIOUS, YES.

WELL, THAT'S ALL FINE AND GOOD. YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE FACTS -- WHAT HAD HAPPENED OUT THERE ON JUNE 12TH, DID YOU, SIR?

OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR. THIS IS ARGUMENTATIVE.

I'M ASKING HIM --

THAT'S SUSTAINED. YOU CAN REPHRASE THE QUESTION.

CERTAINLY.

BY MR. COCHRAN: YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HAD HAPPENED OUT THERE ON JUNE 12TH, 1994, DID YOU, SIR, WHEN YOU ARRIVED ON THE SCENE?

IT WAS EVIDENT TO ME WHAT HAPPENED, YES.

OBJECTION.

BY MR. COCHRAN: IT WAS EVIDENT TO YOU WHAT HAD HAPPENED?

YES.

DID YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT MISS NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON HAD A VISITOR THAT EVENING AFTER 10:00 O'CLOCK, A MALE VISITOR? DO YOU KNOW THAT? DO YOU KNOW THAT?

YOUR HONOR, OBJECTION.

THE NIGHT OF THE MURDER?

BY MR. COCHRAN: YES.

OBJECTION.

WHAT'S THE OBJECTION?

ARGUMENTATIVE.

OVERRULED.

BY MR. COCHRAN: DO YOU KNOW THAT FOR A FACT?

THE ONLY MALE VISITOR I'M AWARE OF IS THE OTHER VICTIM.

ALL RIGHT. DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT SHE HAD ANY OTHER MALE VISITOR THAT NIGHT? DO YOU KNOW THAT?

NO.

BUT IN YOUR INVESTIGATIVE CAPACITY, YOU DECIDED NOT TO ORDER THIS RAPE KIT WHICH YOU COULD HAVE ORDERED; ISN'T THAT CORRECT, SIR?

I WASN'T ASKING YOU ABOUT THAT.

-- THERE'S NO EVIDENCE OF RAPE --

I WASN'T ASKING ABOUT THAT.

-- NO EVIDENCE OF SEXUAL ASSAULT.

I'M NOT ASKING ABOUT THAT. I ASKED YOU IF YOU HAD THE RIGHT --

OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR. THAT WAS RESPONSIVE.

NO.

IT'S NOT RESPONSIVE. I MOVE TO STRIKE IT. IT WASN'T RESPONSIVE, YOUR HONOR.

ALL RIGHT. MR. COCHRAN, I THINK WE'RE ABOUT -- YOU WANT TO JUST WIND IT UP HERE?

YES, I CAN. MOVE TO STRIKE THAT LAST THING, YOUR HONOR. NOT NONRESPONSIVE.

IT WAS RESPONSIVE, YOUR HONOR. IT WAS EXACTLY WHAT WAS ASKED.

IT'S NOT WHAT I ASKED.

HE ASKED WHY --

LET ME SEE.

-- A RAPE KIT --

LET ME SEE.

IT'S IMPLICIT.

ALL RIGHT. OVERRULED. PROCEED.

BY MR. COCHRAN: ALL RIGHT. NOW, WITH REGARD TO -- AS AN INVESTIGATOR, DO YOU MAKE ASSUMPTIONS AND THEN STAY WITH THOSE ASSUMPTIONS FOR THE ENTIRE CASE? IS THAT WHAT HAPPENS? YOU FIGURE OUT AND LOOK IN YOUR CRYSTAL BALL OF WHAT HAPPENED AND MAKE YOUR DETERMINATION AND DISCOUNT EVERYTHING ELSE? IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED, SIR, AS AN EXPERIENCED INVESTIGATOR?

NO. CERTAINLY NOT.

ALL RIGHT. I DIDN'T THINK SO.

OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR.

BY MR. COCHRAN: AND WITH REGARD TO -- FOR INSTANCE, THESE STOMACH CONTENTS --

MS. CLARK, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEAK UP A LITTLE LOUDER. WAS THAT AN ARGUMENTATIVE OBJECTION?

YES. ARGUMENTATIVE.

ALL RIGHT. MR. COCHRAN, WE'RE RIGHT ABOUT THERE.

OKAY, YOUR HONOR. THANK YOU.

BY MR. COCHRAN: WITH REGARD TO THESE STOMACH CONTENTS, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL IN THIS CASE TO THIS JURY IN DETERMINING TIME OF DEATH; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

SUSTAINED. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOUR TIMES NOW.

WELL, I WAS GOING TO ASK A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT QUESTION, YOUR HONOR, BUT I'LL RESERVE IT UNTIL TOMORROW MORNING. PERHAPS I'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT TOMORROW MORNING.

THANK YOU.

OKAY. SEE YOU TOMORROW.

COUNSEL, IF YOU RECALL, WE HAVE -- MR. HODGMAN IS ON HIS WAY I ASSUME FOR A 4:00 O'CLOCK CONFERENCE ON OUR OTHER EVIDENTIARY ISSUES, CORRECT? AND THERE'S MR. SCHECK. OKAY. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE OUR RECESS FOR THIS AFTERNOON. PLEASE REMEMBER MY ADMONITIONS TO YOU; DON'T DISCUSS THE CASE AMONGST YOURSELVES, DON'T EXPRESS ANY OPINIONS ABOUT THE CASE, DON'T CONDUCT ANY DELIBERATIONS WHILE THE MATTER -- UNTIL THE MATTER HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO YOU, DON'T ALLOW ANYBODY TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU WITH REGARD TO THE CASE. AND, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I HAVE SOME OTHER PROCEEDINGS I HAVE TO ATTEND TO TOMORROW MORNING. SO WE WILL NOT GET TO YOU TOMORROW MORNING UNTIL ABOUT 10:00 O'CLOCK. ALL RIGHT? ALL RIGHT. AS TO THE JURY --

10:00 OR 11:00?

I WANT THE JURY BACK IN THE COURTHOUSE AT 10:00. THANK YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. SEE YOU TOMORROW MORNING. AND, DETECTIVE LANGE, YOU CAN STEP DOWN. YOU ARE ORDERED TO RETURN TOMORROW AT 10:00 O'CLOCK.