THANK YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. BE SEATED. LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT ALL PARTIES ARE AGAIN PRESENT. WE'VE NOW BEEN REJOINED BY ALL THE MEMBERS OF OUR JURY PANEL. DETECTIVE TOM LANGE IS STILL ON THE WITNESS STAND ON CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR. COCHRAN. GOOD MORNING AGAIN, DETECTIVE LANGE.

GOOD MORNING, YOUR HONOR.

YOU ARE REMINDED YOU ARE STILL UNDER OATH. AND, MR. COCHRAN, GOOD MORNING, SIR. YOU MAY CONTINUE.

THANK YOU VERY KINDLY, YOUR HONOR.

BY MR. COCHRAN: DETECTIVE LANGE, SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR, BETWEEN THE PERIOD OF JUNE 3RD AND JULY 3RD, THERE WAS NO POLICE PRESENCE AT BUNDY ON A REGULAR BASIS TO GUARD THAT LOCATION; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

YOU WANT TO RESTATE YOUR QUESTION? I THINK YOU GOT THE DATES WRONG.

BY MR. COCHRAN: BETWEEN THE DATES -- I AM SORRY, YOUR HONOR -- OF JUNE 13TH, 1994 AT ABOUT 3:45 IN THE AFTERNOON AND JULY 3RD, 1994, THERE WAS NO POLICE PRESENCE AT THE BUNDY LOCATION; IS THAT CORRECT?

OBJECTION. VAGUE, POLICE PRESENCE.

OVERRULED.

THERE WAS NO PERMANENT POLICE AT THAT LOCATION. I BELIEVE THEY WERE CALLED TO THAT LOCATION ON SEVERAL TIMES.

BY MR. COCHRAN: ALL RIGHT. AND THEY WERE CALLED TO THAT LOCATION ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS TO CHASE AWAY INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE --

OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR. ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE.

I AM ASKING --

CALLS FOR HEARSAY.

I'M REQUESTING TO ASK HIM A QUESTION, YOUR HONOR.

YOU CAN ASK HIM IF HE HAS PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE OF THESE THINGS.

ALL RIGHT.

BY MR. COCHRAN: ARE YOU AWARE OF CALLS MADE BY -- MADE TO THAT LOCATION FOR POLICE ASSISTANCE BECAUSE OF THE CROWDS AND INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE COMING TO THAT LOCATION?

I HAD HEARD OF THOSE THINGS HAPPENING THROUGH THE MEDIA. I DIDN'T HAVE -- I WASN'T THERE ON A PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE OF IT.

WELL, YOU'VE SEEN ON THE MEDIA THAT THERE WERE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE IN AND AROUND THAT LOCATION AFTER JUNE 13TH; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

YES.

ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY SPECIFIC POLICE CALLS THAT WERE MADE REGARDING SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS IN AND AROUND THE BUNDY LOCATION AFTER THE CRIME PERIMETER WAS TAKEN DOWN AT ABOUT 3:45 ON JUNE 13TH, 1994?

I DON'T RECALL ANY SPECIFIC INCIDENTS.

WOULD IT REFRESH YOUR RECOLLECTION TO SEE ANY PARTICULAR DOCUMENTS IN THAT REGARD?

IF THAT OCCURRED, IT CERTAINLY MAY, YES.

MAY I BE PERMITTED, YOUR HONOR, TO ASK --

YOU MAY.

YOUR HONOR, OBJECTION. I THOUGHT THAT WE -- MAY WE APPROACH?

OVERRULED AT THIS POINT. HE CAN SHOW HIM TO SEE IF IT REFRESHES HIS RECOLLECTION.

I WOULD LIKE TO APPROACH.

THE ISSUE IS STILL PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE AND 352 THOUGH.

BY MR. COCHRAN: I WOULD LIKE TO PLACE THIS BEFORE YOU AND ASK YOU TO READ THIS TO YOURSELF, DETECTIVE LANGE. I WANT YOU TO REVIEW THIS DOCUMENT HERE AND I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS HERE AND I'LL ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.

OKAY.

HAVE YOU READ THE PARTICULAR AREA THAT I DIRECTED YOU TO?

YES.

AND HAS THE REVIEW OF THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT REFRESHED YOUR RECOLLECTION REGARDING ANY POLICE CALLS TO THE LOCATION 875 SOUTH BUNDY?

NO.

SAME OBJECTION. NO PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE.

HE SAID NO.

WITHDRAWN.

BY MR. COCHRAN: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. AT ANY RATE, HOW DID YOU DETERMINE THAT THERE HAD -- THAT THERE HAD BEEN NO BLOOD SAMPLES COLLECTED NEAR THE REAR GATE AREA OF BUNDY AFTER JUNE 13TH, 1994? HOW DID YOU MAKE THAT DETERMINATION?

THE DETERMINATION WAS MADE AS I APPROACHED THE REAR GATE AND ENTERED ON THAT DATE. I HADN'T BEEN TO THE REAR GATE PRIOR TO THAT TO EXAMINE IT. I REALLY FELT I DIDN'T HAVE ANY REASON TO. AS I WALKED THROUGH THE GATE, MYSELF AND OTHERS OBSERVED WHAT APPEARED TO BE THE BLOOD SMEAR THAT WAS OBSERVED EARLIER ON THE 13TH.

SO YOU SAW IT ON JULY 3RD. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND HAD YOU MET WITH THE CRIMINALISTS AT ANY TIME BETWEEN JUNE 13TH AND JULY 3RD?

I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

SO YOU HADN'T MET WITH EITHER FUNG OR MAZZOLA TO DISCUSS THEIR WORK?

TO DISCUSS THEIR WORK, NO.

HAD YOU READ ANY REPORTS FROM FUNG OR MAZZOLA BETWEEN THE DATES OF JUNE 13TH AND JULY 3RD?

NO.

AND WHEN YOU WERE AT THE SCENE ON JULY 3RD, I PRESUME FROM WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, YOU WERE THERE IN THE COMPANY OF SOME OTHER OFFICERS; IS THAT CORRECT?

YES.

AND YOU WERE THERE BEFORE FUNG WAS CALLED AS DEPICTED IN THE PHOTOGRAPH THAT WE SHOWED JUST BEFORE THE BREAK; IS THAT CORRECT?

WE WERE DOING A DISTRICT ATTORNEY WALK-THROUGH AND I DON'T RECALL --

CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION? WERE YOU THERE BEFORE FUNG WAS THERE?

I DON'T KNOW.

WELL, IF YOU DIDN'T -- AT THE TIME YOU ARRIVED THERE, WHEN YOU WERE WALKING THROUGH AT THAT POINT, NO BLOOD SAMPLES HAD BEEN COLLECTED, RIGHT, ON JULY 3RD AT THAT POINT?

AT THE TIME OF MY ARRIVAL, THAT'S CORRECT.

RIGHT. BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T KNOW. YOU THOUGHT THEY HAD ALREADY BEEN TAKEN, RIGHT?

YES.

ALL RIGHT. SO IT WAS AFTER THAT THAT THE BLOOD SAMPLES OF NOVEMBER WERE TAKEN; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

YES.

AND DO YOU REMEMBER WHETHER YOU CALLED FUNG TO COME TO THE SCENE OR WAS HE OUT THERE OR WAS HE DUE OUT THERE? WHAT HAPPENED?

I DON'T RECALL HOW THAT JUST HAPPENED. I MAY HAVE THAT WRITTEN SOMEWHERE.

WHAT TIME OF DAY WAS IT THAT FUNG CAME TO THE SCENE ON JULY 3RD, 1994?

I DON'T RECALL. I THINK IT WAS PERHAPS LATE IN THE MORNING.

AND BEFORE THAT TIME, DID YOU EVER READ THE PROPERTY REPORT TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THESE STAINS ALLEGEDLY FROM THE REAR GATE HAD BEEN BOOKED?

I DON'T RECALL SEEING THE PROPERTY REPORT PRIOR TO THAT.

ALL RIGHT. NOW, WHEN FUNG CAME OUT, WHENEVER HE ARRIVED, WERE YOU STILL PRESENT AT THAT TIME?

YES.

AND WHO CAME WITH HIM, IF ANYONE?

I BELIEVE HE MIGHT HAVE BEEN BY HIMSELF, BUT I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE.

ALL RIGHT. DO YOU HAVE ANY NOTES THAT WOULD REFRESH YOUR RECOLLECTION?

IT MAY BE IN MY NOTES.

WELL, YOU MAY BE HERE AFTER LUNCH. SO CAN YOU CHECK YOUR NOTES AFTER LUNCH SO WE WON'T DELAY?

YES, I WILL.

ALL RIGHT. AND LET US KNOW IF HE CAME WITH ANYONE ELSE? WHO WERE YOU WITH AT THAT TIME?

I BELIEVE I ARRIVED ALONE.

ALL RIGHT. AND YOU MET SOME OTHER PEOPLE OUT THERE?

YES.

WAS VANNATTER THERE THAT DAY?

I DON'T RECALL IF HE WAS THERE OR NOT.

AND YOU SAID THERE WAS SOME KIND OF A D.A.'S WALK-THROUGH?

YES.

THAT MEANS DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S WALK-THROUGH?

YES.

WERE ANY OF THE D.A.'S TO MY IMMEDIATE RIGHT OUT AT THAT SCENE ON THAT PARTICULAR DAY?

YES.

WAS IT A FEMALE?

YES.

IS THAT MISS MARCIA CLARK THERE?

YES.

MR. DARDEN WASN'T THERE, WAS HE?

NO.

ANY OTHER D.A. THERE ALONG WITH MARCIA CLARK?

MR. HODGMAN.

SO IT WAS MARCIA CLARK AND BILL HODGMAN?

YES.

DID YOU GET THERE FIRST?

I THINK I DID.

YOU WERE THE FIRST ONE THERE AT THE SCENE?

I BELIEVE I WAS.

AND WHO ARRIVED NEXT AFTER YOU?

I DON'T WANT TO BE INACCURATE ABOUT THIS. I DON'T RECALL A SPECIFIC -- SPECIFICS AS FAR AS WHO ARRIVED WHEN.

ALL RIGHT. AND I PRESUME THERE WAS NO LOG THAT DAY?

WELL, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A LOG AS TO WHO WAS THERE.

WHERE IS THE LOG?

WELL, IT WOULD BE IN MY MURDER BOOK.

WERE YOU PLANNING TO HAVE LUNCH TODAY, BECAUSE I MIGHT IMPINGE UPON THAT A LITTLE BIT. CAN YOU CHECK THAT LOG FOR US OVER THE LUNCH HOUR?

MAKE A LIST, AND I'LL DO IT.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MAKE A LIST OF THE THINGS WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT OVER THE LUNCH HOUR. NOW --

MAY I HAVE JUST A SECOND, YOUR HONOR?

CERTAINLY.

BY MR. COCHRAN: NOW, WITH REGARD TO YOUR TESTIMONY YESTERDAY, YOU INDICATED TO US THAT YOU HAD NOTICED SOME BLOOD SPLATTERS OR SOME BLOOD SPOTS ON THE BACK OF MISS NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON. DO YOU RECALL THAT?

YES.

AND IF WE CAN HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH. YOUR HONOR, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO CUT THE FEED ON THIS OR NOT. BUT DO YOU RECALL THIS PARTICULAR PHOTOGRAPH?

YES. YES, I DO.

MR. HARRIS.

MR. HARRIS, WHICH PHOTO IS THIS?

THIS IS DEFENSE 1012.

THANK YOU.

1012, YOUR HONOR.

BY MR. COCHRAN: CAN YOU SEE --

BY MR. COCHRAN: THIS, DETECTIVE LANGE, IS THE BACK OF MISS NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON. ON THAT BACK, DO YOU SEE THOSE BLOOD SPOTS OR SPATTERS?

YES.

AND DID YOU DIRECT THE CORONER'S OFFICE TO DO SOMETHING WITH REGARD TO THOSE PARTICULAR BLOOD SPOTS AND SPATTERS?

I POINTED THOSE OUT TO THE INVESTIGATOR PRIOR TO THE REMOVAL OF THE VICTIM, YES.

AND THAT WAS TO MISS RATCLIFFE?

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND WHEN YOU SAY YOU POINTED THEM OUT, YOU JUST SAID, "TAKE A LOOK AT THESE"?

SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

ALL RIGHT. NOW, WERE YOU EVER ABLE TO ASCERTAIN WHETHER OR NOT THOSE BLOOD SPOTS AND/OR SPATTERS WERE EVER COLLECTED BY THE CORONER'S OFFICE OR BY THE CRIMINALISTS OR ANYONE AND PRESERVED AND TESTED TO DETERMINE WHOSE BLOOD THAT WAS ON HER BACK?

IT WAS NOT DONE?

YES.

YOU POINTED IT OUT AND IT WAS NOT DONE?

YES.

WHY WASN'T IT DONE?

OBJECTION. THAT CALLS FOR SPECULATION.

I THINK IF HE KNOWS.

OVERRULED.

WHEN I SPOKE WITH THE CORONER'S CRIMINALIST, HE STATED TO ME THAT --

OBJECTION. HEARSAY.

DO YOU KNOW OF YOUR PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE WHY THAT WASN'T DONE OTHER THAN WHAT SOMEBODY TOLD YOU?

NO, YOUR HONOR.

NEXT QUESTION.

THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

BY MR. COCHRAN: WOULD YOU AGREE THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO DETERMINE WHOSE BLOOD THAT WAS ON HER BACK?

I FELT THAT IT MIGHT BE IMPORTANT, YES.

AND IN THE COURSE OF YOUR INVESTIGATION, IN AN EFFORT FOR YOU TO DETERMINE WHO THE PERPETRATORS OR PERPETRATOR WAS, THAT WOULD BE A KEY FACTOR IF THAT WAS THE PERPETRATOR'S OR PERPETRATORS' BLOOD; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO -- WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE BLOOD.

AS AN INVESTIGATOR, YOU WANT TO GET AS MANY FACTS AS YOU CAN; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

YES.

YOU DON'T WANT TO RUSH TO JUDGMENT IN THESE THINGS, DO YOU?

CERTAINLY NOT.

SO YOU WANT TO GATHER ALL THE FACTS THAT YOU POSSIBLY CAN; IS THAT CORRECT?

YES.

AND ARE YOU TELLING US THAT THAT BLOOD WAS NEVER EXAMINED OR COLLECTED IN THE CORONER'S OFFICE? IS THAT CORRECT?

THAT'S MY INFORMATION, YES.

AND WHO DID YOU TALK TO IN THE CORONER'S OFFICE WHO GAVE YOU AN EXPLANATION AS TO WHY THEY DIDN'T COLLECT THAT BLOOD?

BE A MR. MAHANEY.

MR. -- SPELL THAT FOR THE --

MAHANEY.

CAN YOU SPELL THAT FOR US?

I BELIEVE IT'S M-A-H-A-N-E-Y.

AND WHAT WAS THE DATE OF YOUR CONVERSATION WITH MR. MAHANEY?

I DON'T RECALL. IT WAS SOMETIME AFTER I GOT THE CORONER'S CRIMINALIST REPORT.

AND WHEN WAS THAT?

I DON'T RECALL. THIS WAS PROBABLY SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.

SEVERAL MONTHS AGO?

YES.

SO FROM THE TIME YOU SAW -- YOU LAST SAW THAT PHOTOGRAPH THAT WE JUST DEPICTED ON THE SCREEN FOR THE JURY OR THAT YOU SAW THAT SCENE ON JUNE 13TH; IS THAT CORRECT?

YES.

AND IT WASN'T UNTIL SEVERAL MONTHS AGO THAT YOU FOUND OUT THAT THEY HAD NOT COLLECTED THE BLOOD THAT WAS ON HER BACK?

YES.

AND THEN DID YOU INSTITUTE A CALL TO MR. MAHANEY?

YES.

WHAT'S HIS TITLE IN THE CORONER'S OFFICE?

HE'S A CRIMINALIST.

THEY HAVE CRIMINALISTS WITHIN THE CORONER'S OFFICE?

YES.

IN ADDITION TO THE DOCTORS?

YES.

NOW, THE DOCTOR WHO DID THE AUTOPSIES IN THIS CASE IS DR. GOLDEN, G-O-L-D-E-N, RIGHT?

YES.

AND MAHANEY WAS THE CRIMINALIST ASSIGNED TO THIS PARTICULAR CASE?

I BELIEVE HE WAS A CRIMINALIST ON DUTY WHEN THE BODIES ARRIVED. I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY ASSIGN CRIMINALISTS PARTICULAR CASES.

SO HE WOULD BE THE ONE WORKING TO DEAL WITH THIS PARTICULAR BODY; IS THAT CORRECT?

HE WAS AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME, YES.

ALL RIGHT. AND SO WHEN YOU TALKED TO HIM -- GIVE US A LITTLE CLEARER DATE AS TO WHEN YOU TALKED TO MAHANEY ABOUT THEIR FAILURE TO COLLECT THESE SPOTS AND EXAMINE THEM. WHAT DATE WAS THAT?

AGAIN, I DON'T RECALL. I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CORONER'S REPORT AND PERHAPS GO FROM THERE.

AND AGAIN, OVER THE LUNCH HOUR, CAN YOU LOOK AT THAT FOR US?

PUT IT ON THE LIST.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL TRY TO GET THAT LIST. MR. DOUGLAS. THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU HAD -- DID YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE CONVERSATION WITH MAHANEY AT ALL OR JUST ONE?

REGARDING THIS, I BELIEVE IT WAS JUST ONE.

DID YOU WRITE A REPORT REGARDING THAT?

NO.

AND YOU NEVER TALKED TO ANYBODY ELSE IN THE CORONER'S OFFICE REGARDING IT?

I BELIEVE I DID.

AND WHO ELSE DID YOU TALK ABOUT -- TALK TO ABOUT THIS?

I BELIEVE I HAD A DISCUSSION WITH DR. LAKSHSMANAN.

AND HE IS THE CORONER?

YES.

WAS THAT AFTER YOUR CONVERSATION WITH MAHANEY?

YES.

AND WAS THAT IN THE NATURE OF A COMPLAINT TO DR. LAKSHSMANAN?

NO. IT WAS IN THE NATURE OF A GENERAL CONVERSATION THAT I HAD WITH HIM.

NOW, WERE YOU ABLE TO ASCERTAIN OF YOUR OWN KNOWLEDGE THAT THIS BLOOD SPOT, THE BLOOD SPOTS ON MISS NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON'S BACK HAD BEEN WASHED OFF AT THE CORONER'S OFFICE? WERE YOU ABLE TO ASCERTAIN THAT?

FROM MY OWN KNOWLEDGE?

YES, FROM YOUR OWN KNOWLEDGE.

NO.

WELL NOW, YOU AND VANNATTER ATTENDED THE POST OR THE AUTOPSY OF THESE TWO BODIES; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

YES.

WHAT DATE WAS THAT?

I BELIEVE THAT WAS ON THE 14TH OF JUNE.

OKAY. JUNE 14TH. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THEN ON A TUESDAY; IS THAT CORRECT?

YES.

AND WHEN YOU WENT OVER THERE, YOU SAW THESE BODIES; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

YES.

AT THAT TIME, HAD THE BODIES BEEN WASHED AND PREPPED?

WHEN WE FIRST ARRIVED, I BELIEVE THEY HAD BEEN AT THE -- AT THE TIME OF AUTOPSY, CERTAINLY.

ALL RIGHT. THEY HAD BEEN WASHED AND PREPPED?

YES.

SO AT THAT TIME, DID YOU ASK THE CORONER DR. GOLDEN AND SAY, "LOOK, DID YOU PRESERVE THAT BLOOD THAT WAS ON THE BACK?" DID YOU ASK THAT QUESTION?

THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ASKED OF DR. GOLDEN, NO.

DID YOU ASK MAHANEY OR ANY CRIMINALISTS ON DUTY THAT DAY HAD THEY PRESERVED IT?

I DIDN'T TALK TO A CRIMINALIST THAT DAY.

ALL RIGHT. NOW, AS AN EXPERIENCED HOMICIDE INVESTIGATOR, WHEN YOU ATTEND AN AUTOPSY, YOU'RE THERE TO OBSERVE AND TO POINT OUT CERTAIN THINGS TO THE DOCTOR WHO MAY NOT KNOW ALL THE FACTS; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO, YES.

AND YOU AGREED WITH ME YESTERDAY THAT -- AND EVERY DAY THAT IN DETERMINING THE TIME OF DEATH IN A HOMICIDE CASE, IT'S OFTEN TIMES VERY IMPORTANT; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

CERTAINLY.

AND NOW, YOU WERE PRESENT DURING THE AUTOPSY -- LET'S TAKE FIRST THE AUTOPSY OF MISS NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON. YOU WERE PRESENT DURING THAT AUTOPSY.

YES.

HOW LONG DID THAT AUTOPSY TAKE, SIR?

I -- I DON'T RECALL HOW LONG. I DIDN'T TIME IT.

ALL RIGHT. IN YOUR BEST ESTIMATE, SIR.

THERE'S AN EXAMINATION OF COURSE.

YES, SIR.

TWO EXAMINATIONS PRIOR TO AUTOPSY BY THE CRIMINALIST AND BY THE PATHOLOGIST THAT I WASN'T PRESENT FOR. THIS IS PART OF THE AUTOPSY PROCEDURE.

WELL, LET'S TAKE THE PART WHERE YOU WERE PRESENT, THE PART THAT YOU DEALT WITH, SIR.

OKAY. THAT WOULD BE THE ACTUAL AUTOPSY. I -- PERHAPS TWO HOURS.

PERHAPS TWO HOURS?

IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO --

AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MISS NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON.

YES.

SO THAT THE EXAMINATION BY THE CRIMINALIST OR WHATEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN CONDUCTED AT A TIME BEFORE YOU GOT THERE; IS THAT CORRECT?

YES.

AND WHEN YOU GOT THERE, DID YOU ASK THEM, DID YOU ASK THE CRIMINALIST ON DUTY THAT DAY IF HE HAD DONE ANYTHING REGARDING THESE BLOOD SPLATTERS ON THE BACK?

NOT THAT DAY, NO.

ALL RIGHT. IT WASN'T UNTIL 1995 THAT YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION. WOULD YOU SAY THIS YEAR?

NO. NO. IT WAS SEVERAL MONTHS AGO AFTER I RECEIVED THE CRIMINALIST REPORT OF BLOOD THAT HE HAD TAKEN FROM THE BODY.

SEVERAL MONTHS AGO. AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN WHAT MONTH?

AGAIN, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT REPORT.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S ON THE LIST.

AT LUNCH TIME. NOW, IN YOUR ROLE THERE AT THE SCENE, DID YOU INSTRUCT THE CORONER, DR. GOLDEN, TO SAVE THE STOMACH CONTENTS OF MISS NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON SO THAT WE COULD USE THOSE STOMACH CONTENTS TO EXTRAPOLATE BACKWARDS WITH REGARD TO THE DIGESTIVE PROCESS AND SEEKING TO DETERMINE --

OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR.

BY MR. COCHRAN: -- THE TIME OF DEATH?

COUNSEL IS TESTIFYING. ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE AT THIS POINT.

OKAY, YOUR HONOR. MAY I SEEK TO RESTATE THAT IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T DO THAT?

PLEASE.

BY MR. COCHRAN: DID YOU ASK THE CORONER TO SAVE THE STOMACH CONTENTS OF MISS NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON?

NO.

OBJECTION. AGAIN, YOUR HONOR, OBJECTION. THAT'S NOT THIS WITNESS' JOB.

OVERRULED.

BESIDES THAT, SHE'S WRONG.

OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF HIS EXPERTISE.

OVERRULED.

BY MR. COCHRAN: YOU DIDN'T ASK THE CORONER TO SAVE, RIGHT?

NO.

WOULDN'T YOU HAVE LIKED TO HAVE THE STOMACH CONTENTS AND NOT HAVE THEM THROWN AWAY?

ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE.

BY MR. COCHRAN: OKAY. WERE THE STOMACH CONTENTS PRESERVED IN THIS CASE?

OBJECTION. THIS IS OUTSIDE THE SCOPE.

YOU KNOW, I CAN MAKE HIM MY OWN WITNESS FOR THIS QUESTION, YOUR HONOR.

STILL OUTSIDE THE SCOPE.

I'LL MAKE HIM MY OWN WITNESS FOR THIS --

OVERRULED.

BY MR. COCHRAN: OKAY. WERE THE STOMACH CONTENTS OF NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON PRESERVED IN THIS CASE?

OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR. COUNSEL CAN CALL HIM IN HIS OWN CASE IN CHIEF. THIS IS BEYOND THE SCOPE OF DIRECT.

YOUR HONOR ALREADY RULED ON THIS.

OVERRULED.

THE CORONER WILL BE TESTIFYING.

OVERRULED.

THE CONTENTS WERE EXAMINED BY DR. GOLDEN.

BY MR. COCHRAN: WERE THEY PRESERVED, SIR, IS THE QUESTION.

I DON'T KNOW.

YOU DON'T KNOW -- YOU DON'T KNOW TO THIS DATE WHETHER OR NOT THE STOMACH CONTENTS WERE PRESERVED, SIR?

HAVE YOU CHECKED?

NO.

OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR.

OVERRULED.

NO. CAN THE WITNESS BE ALLOWED TO FINISH THE ANSWER, PLEASE?

BY MR. COCHRAN: I WANT YOU TO FINISH YOUR ANSWER. SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING MORE TO SAY, PLEASE SAY IT.

I'VE COMPLETED.

OKAY. AS THE INVESTIGATING OFFICER IN THIS CASE, HAVE YOU CHECKED TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE STOMACH CONTENTS FROM NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON WERE PRESERVED IN THIS CASE SO THEY CAN BE EXAMINED?

I HAVE NOT PERSONALLY CHECKED, BUT I HAVE KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY WERE DESTROYED.

ALL RIGHT. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU ASKED THE CORONER TO DO?

TO DESTROY THE STOMACH CONTENTS?

YES. YES.

NO.

THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANTED DONE?

NO.

WITH REGARD TO A RAPE KIT ANALYSIS, DID YOU ASK THE CORONER TO PERFORM A RAPE KIT ANALYSIS ON THE BODY OF NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON?

NO.

WAS THAT DONE?

NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

NOW, DID YOU THINK THAT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION REGARDING THE RAPE KIT ANALYSIS? AND YOU CAN ANSWER THAT YES OR NO.

NO.

WHAT IS A RAPE KIT ANALYSIS?

RAPE KIT ANALYSIS WOULD INCLUDE SWABS FROM THE VAGINAL AREA, PERHAPS THE ANAL AREA IF THERE'S ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT, PERHAPS THE MOUTH.

NOW, WHEN YOU ARRIVED AT THE LOCATION OF BUNDY, YOU DESCRIBED FOR US THAT YOU SAW CANDLES BURNING IN THE LIVING ROOM; IS THAT CORRECT?

YES.

AND WHAT TIME IS THIS THESE CANDLES WERE BURNING AT THAT POINT?

WELL, I ARRIVED AT 4:25 A.M. SO I'M APPROXIMATING 10, 15 MINUTES AFTER THAT.

SO BETWEEN 4:25, LET'S SAY BY 4:40 OR THEREABOUTS, THE CANDLES WERE BURNING; IS THAT RIGHT?

YES.

AND DID YOU FIND OUT FROM TALKING TO THE OTHER OFFICERS THAT THOSE CANDLES HAD BEEN BURNING SINCE MIDNIGHT OR 12:15 OR THEREABOUTS?

YES.

AND WHEN YOU WENT UPSTAIRS IN THE BEDROOM, HOW MANY CANDLES DID YOU FIND BURNING?

I DON'T RECALL EXACTLY. I BELIEVE THERE WERE TWO OR THREE OR FOUR IN THE BEDROOM AND PERHAPS TWO OR THREE IN THE BATHROOM.

AND THEY WERE ALL STILL BURNING?

YES.

SO WOULD YOU SAY THERE WERE AT LEAST NINE CANDLES ALTOGETHER BURNING AT THIS POINT?

YES.

AND YOU WERE AWARE, WERE YOU NOT, THESE CANDLES HAD BEEN BURNING SINCE AT LEAST 12:15, THE ARRIVAL OF OFFICER RISKE, RIGHT?

YES.

BY THE WAY, DID YOU IN THE COURSE OF YOUR INVESTIGATION DIRECT THAT ANY PHOTOGRAPHS OR PICTURES BE TAKEN OF THESE BURNING CANDLES?

NO.

DID IT EVER OCCUR TO YOU THAT WE MIGHT LOOK AT THE CANDLES AND DETERMINE THE STATE OF THEIR BURNING AT A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME AND EXTRAPOLATE BACKWARDS TO DETERMINE WHEN THEY MAY HAVE BEEN LIT? DID THAT OCCUR TO YOU EVER?

YOU SEE NO WAY TO DO THAT?

THAT'S CORRECT.

HOW LARGE ARE THESE CANDLES?

THE CANDLES WERE VARIOUS WIDTHS AND SIZES AND LENGTHS. THEY WERE ALL DIFFERENT.

ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY PHOTOGRAPH ANYWHERE OF THESE CANDLES BURNING?

NO. NOT THAT I KNOW OF.

WHEN YOU ARRIVED INSIDE THE HOUSE, YOU ALSO HEARD SOME MUSIC PLAYING; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

SEEMS TO ME THERE WAS MUSIC, YES.

AND THAT MUSIC WAS EMANATING FROM WHAT ROOM?

IT WAS SOMEWHERE IN THE LIVING ROOM AREA.

DID YOU EVER ASCERTAIN WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS A CD PLAYING OR WHAT WAS PLAYING?

NO.

DO YOU KNOW IF IT WAS AN FM STATION?

NO.

WHAT KIND OF MUSIC DID YOU HEAR?

IT SEEMED TO ME TO BE A NEW WAVE TYPE MUSIC, INSTRUMENTALS.

NEW WAVE TYPE?

WELL, MODERN TYPE INSTRUMENTALS.

KIND OF SOFT, ROMANTIC KIND OF THING?

I WOULDN'T SAY ROMANTIC. IT'S JUST IN THE BACK OF MY MIND, I RECALL THIS. I MEAN I CAN'T BE MUCH MORE SPECIFIC THAN TO SAY THAT I SEEM TO RECALL A NEW WAVE TYPE OF MUSIC.

DID YOU EVER GO OVER TO A STEREO OR A COMPONENT BOX OR SOMETHING AND DETERMINE WHETHER THIS WAS AN FM OR A CD OR A TAPE OR WHATEVER?

NO.

DID ANYBODY UNDER YOUR DIRECTION EVER DO THAT?

NOT UNDER MY DIRECTION, NO.

THERE WAS BATH WATER IN THE MASTER BEDROOM IN THE BATHTUB; IS THAT RIGHT?

I OBSERVED NO BATH WATER IN THE BATHROOM.

YOU NEVER OBSERVED BATH WATER?

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND DO YOU REMEMBER LOOKING IN THE BATHTUB?

YES.

AND THERE WAS NO BATH WATER IN THE BATHTUB?

THERE WERE CANDLES ON THE TUB, BUT THERE WAS NO WATER IN THE TUB.

IF OTHER OFFICERS HAVE TESTIFIED THERE WAS BATH WATER IN THE BATHTUB, DO YOU THINK ONE OF THEM LET THAT BATH WATER OUT BEFORE YOU CAME?

DID THEY LEAVE IT OUT? NO, BUT I BELIEVE IT DRAINED.

ALL RIGHT. SO YOU HAVE NO DOUBT THAT AT SOME TIME EARLIER, THERE WAS BATH WATER IN THE BATHTUB?

THAT'S THE TESTIMONY OF THE ARRIVING OFFICER, THAT HE SAW BATH WATER. I DIDN'T SEE ANY.

ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RISKY?

YES.

YOU JUST DIDN'T SEE IT WHEN YOU GOT THERE?

THERE WAS NONE IN THERE WHEN I GOT THERE.

ALL RIGHT. NOW, WITH REGARD TO THE BED, YOU DESCRIBED THE BED WAS MADE, BUT RUMPLED. IN OTHER WORDS, THE COVERS WERE RUMPLED IN THE CENTER OF THE BED; IS THAT CORRECT?

SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YES.

AND ARE THERE ANY PICTURES OR PHOTOGRAPHS TAKEN OF ANY OF THIS INTERIOR AREA AT ALL?

OF THE BEDROOM?

YES. OF THE BEDROOM.

NO.

ANY PICTURES TAKEN OF ANY OF THOSE CANDLES IN THE BATHTUB AT ALL?

NO.

ANY PICTURES TAKEN OF THE STEREO OR COMPONENT SYSTEM WHERE THIS MUSIC WAS EMANATING FROM?

NO.

AND THE TELEVISION WAS ON IN THE BEDROOM ALSO UPSTAIRS; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

THAT'S CORRECT.

NOW, YOU SHOWED US THE OTHER DAY -- YOU TOOK SOME PICTURES OF THE -- OF A FERRARI IN THE GARAGE AS YOU WERE COMING INSIDE THE HOUSE. BUT ONCE YOU GOT INSIDE THE HOUSE BY THAT BANISTER, DID YOU TAKE ANY PICTURES OF THE -- OF THE ICE CREAM CUP THAT WAS THERE?

NO.

THERE ARE -- WE HAVE NO PICTURES TO THIS DATE OF THAT ICE CREAM CUP AND THE STATE OF THE ICE CREAM AT THAT POINT WHEN YOU ARRIVED?

WELL, IT WOULDN'T BE ACCURATE FOR ME TO SAY THAT. I BELIEVE THAT IN THAT OVERALL SHOT, IF ONE LOOKS, THEY'LL SEE A -- WHAT APPEARS TO BE A SMALL ICE CREAM CUP IN THE BLOW-UP.

YOU MEAN THE PICTURE -- LET ME APPROACH IF I CAN. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT FROM PEOPLE'S EXHIBIT 74? IS THAT THE ONE TAKEN FROM THE GARAGE AREA OF THE FERRARI? IS THIS THE ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT (INDICATING)?

THIS IS A LITTLE DARKER. THIS IS THE AREA THOUGH. BUT WHEN I VIEWED THE PHOTO ON THE STAND THE OTHER DAY, IT APPEARED TO BE A POSSIBLE OUTLINE OF AN ICE CREAM CUP HERE WHERE IT WOULD NORMALLY HAVE BEEN ON THE BANISTER, BUT THERE WERE NO PHOTOGRAPHS TAKEN CLOSE UP.

AND WHY WAS THAT? WHY DIDN'T YOU DO THAT?

I FELT NO REASON TO DO THAT. IT WAS NOT PART OF MY CRIME SCENE. I WANTED TO DOCUMENT IT, THE STATE THAT IT WAS FIRST OBSERVED. I SAW NO REASON TO TAKE A PHOTOGRAPH OF MELTED ICE CREAM.

ALL RIGHT. NOW, OF COURSE, IT WAS MELTED BY 4:25. BUT YOU WERE AWARE, ARE YOU NOT, THAT WHEN OFFICER RISKE FIRST SAW IT AT 12:35 OR 12:40, IT WAS MELTING AND WAS NOT MELTED AT THAT POINT? YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT; IS THAT CORRECT?

I BELIEVE HIS DESCRIPTION IS MELTING, YES.

RIGHT. YOU ARE AWARE OF THAT?

YES.

AND WOULDN'T THE BEST EVIDENCE OF THAT HAVE BEEN FOR US TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT PHOTOGRAPH OF THAT BEN AND JERRY'S CUP WITH A PHOTOGRAPH OR A PICTURE HAVING BEEN TAKEN THAT NIGHT?

WELL, THERE WAS NO PHOTOGRAPHER THERE THAT NIGHT WITH OFFICER RISKE; AND AS FAR AS BEST EVIDENCE, I NEVER CONSIDERED IT EVIDENCE AT ALL.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S WHY IT WASN'T PHOTOGRAPHED OR OTHER THINGS WEREN'T DONE WITH IT.

CERTAINLY.

NONE OF US ARE PERFECT, ARE WE?

THAT'S CORRECT.

ALL RIGHT. NOW -- AND WITH REGARD TO THIS ICE CREAM CUP, IT WAS A BEN AND JERRY'S ICE CREAM CUP, WAS IT?

YES.

NOW, YOU DID TAKE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OR A PHOTOGRAPH OR TWO OF A KNIFE ON THE KITCHEN -- IT'S A MARBLE OR COREAN OR WHATEVER -- GRANITE; IS THAT RIGHT?

COUNTER TOP.

COUNTER TOP. WHAT DATE WAS THAT, THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS TAKEN?

THAT WAS TAKEN ON JUNE 13TH.

BY THIS PHOTOGRAPH -- BY THE PHOTOGRAPHER ROKAHR?

I BELIEVE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ROKAHR, YES.

ALL RIGHT. AND SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR, THAT KNIFE HAS BEEN TESTED UNDER YOUR DIRECTION; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

YES.

THERE'S NO BLOOD FOUND ON THAT KNIFE, RIGHT?

THAT'S CORRECT.

NO FINGERPRINTS OF MR. SIMPSON FOUND ON THAT, ON THAT KNIFE; IS THAT CORRECT?

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THERE WAS A LOT OF TESTIMONY YESTERDAY ABOUT FINGERPRINTS AND YOU HAD THAT AREA DUSTED FOR PRINTS INSIDE AND OUT; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

YES.

TELL US AGAIN BRIEFLY WHAT AREAS, IF ANY, YOU HAD DUSTED FOR PRINTS.

INSIDE AND OUT?

INSIDE AND OUT.

ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE LOCATION, I HAD THE FENCE, RUNG FENCE FINGERPRINTED AROUND THE IMMEDIATE CRIME SCENE AROUND THE VICTIMS, THE FRONT AREA MAILBOX, THE INTERCOM SYSTEM, THE GATE, STATIONARY GATE, THE FENCE AROUND THE VICTIMS AS WELL AS A RAILING.

MAY I STOP YOU AT THAT POINT? DID YOU HAVE THE FRONT GATE, BOTH THE INSIDE WHERE ONE WOULD HAVE TO COME DOWN FROM THE HOUSE AND LET SOMEWHERE IN, AND THE LATCH ON THE OUTSIDE, DID YOU HAVE BOTH OF THOSE FINGERPRINTED ALSO, DUSTED FOR PRINTS?

YES. THE ENTIRE GATE.

ALL RIGHT. THE ENTIRE GATE WAS DUSTED?

YES.

THE CALL BOX OUTSIDE, WAS THAT DUSTED?

YES.

OKAY. PLEASE PROCEED. I'M SORRY.

THE RAILING LEADING ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE WALKWAY ALL THE WAY TO THE REAR, THE REAR GATE, THE TWO VEHICLES PARKED AT THE REAR, ONE IN THE GARAGE AND THE BLACK GRAND CHEROKEE IN THE DRIVEWAY, THE FRONT DOOR, THE MOLDINGS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE FRONT DOOR, THE BATHROOM ON THE FIRST LEVEL AS YOU WOULD WALK IN WITH THE MOLDINGS AROUND IT, THE TELEPHONES THROUGHOUT THE RESIDENCE.

DID YOU HAVE THE TELEPHONE IN THE LIVING ROOM AREA DUSTED FOR PRINTS SPECIFICALLY?

THERE WAS A PHONE IN THE KITCHEN AREA I BELIEVE.

ALL RIGHT.

YES.

WELL, DO YOU RECALL ONE ALSO IN THE LIVING ROOM AREA?

THERE MAY HAVE BEEN. I DON'T RECALL.

WITH REGARD TO THE PHONE IN THE KITCHEN AREA --

I WOULD LIKE TO PLACE 1022 ON THE ELMO AND SHOW IT TO THE WITNESS.

ALL RIGHT. 1022.

1022.

BY MR. COCHRAN: CAN YOU SEE --

CAN WE MAKE IT A LITTLE CLEARER?

BY MR. COCHRAN: CAN YOU SEE THAT, WHAT'S DEPICTED THERE? AND IT'S APPARENTLY A SPEED DIALER COMPONENT OF A PHONE SUPPOSEDLY IN THE KITCHEN OF THE BUNDY RESIDENCE. DO YOU REMEMBER SEEING A PHONE IN THAT CONDITION WITH THE NAMES BY THE SPEED DIALER OF DADDY, DITA-OPA, CORA, PAM OR ROBIN, ROBIN AND PAM?

YOU CAN'T MAKE THEM OUT, BUT YES, I RECALL SEEING THAT.

YOU REMEMBER SEEING THAT THERE THAT PARTICULAR NIGHT?

YES.

AND THAT'S A FAIR PORTRAYAL OF HOW THAT PHONE IN THE KITCHEN APPEARED THAT PARTICULAR NIGHT OR THE DATE OF JUNE 13TH, 1994?

I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T RECALL. I DON'T RECALL SEEING IT LIKE THAT.

YOU REMEMBER SEEING THE NAMES ON THERE; DID YOU NOT?

I REMEMBER SEEING SOME NAMES. I DON'T BELIEVE DADDY WAS THE TOP ONE. I DON'T RECALL NOW.

BY THE WAY, DID YOU TAKE ANY PHOTOGRAPHS OF THAT YOURSELF?

NO.

TAKE ANY PHOTOGRAPHS?

NO.

SO YOU HAVE NONE, RIGHT?

THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY. DO YOU RECALL WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS A PHONE ANYWHERE IN THE LIVING ROOM AREA WHEN YOU FIRST WALKED IN THE HOUSE?

ONCE AGAIN, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN.

ALL RIGHT.

I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC RECOLLECTION OF THAT.

ALL RIGHT. AND YOU SAW THE TESTIMONY OF OFFICER RISKE; DID YOU NOT?

I SAW PARTS OF IT.

ALL RIGHT. AND WITH REGARD TO THE -- IF THERE WAS SUCH A PHONE IN THE LIVING ROOM AREA, YOU WOULD HAVE HAD THAT DUSTED ALSO; WOULD YOU NOT HAVE?

MY INSTRUCTIONS WERE FOR ALL PHONES.

AND YOU CAN CONTINUE ON WITH WHAT YOU HAD DUSTED IN THE INTERIOR IF YOU HAD NOT COMPLETED IT.

THE KNIFE SUBSEQUENT TO EXAMINATION FOR BLOOD, THE BANISTER RAILING GOING UP THE FRONT STAIRWELL ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP AND ACROSS TOWARDS THE MAIN BEDROOM, VARIOUS MOLDINGS IN THE UPSTAIRS AREA, THE BED IN THE BEDROOM, THE POSTS ON THE BED, THE TELEVISION SET, I BELIEVE AROUND THE BATHTUB OF THE MASTER BEDROOM, THE COUNTERS UP IN THAT AREA. THERE WAS A PACK OF CIGARETTES THAT I BELIEVE WAS ON THE FLOOR OF THE BATHROOM THAT WAS PRINTED. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN OTHER AREAS THAT THEY DID. BASICALLY MY INSTRUCTIONS WERE TO DO EVERYTHING THAT HAD THE POSSIBILITY OF CONTAINING PRINTS.

SO THIS WAS A THOROUGH JOB THAT YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE DONE TO TRY TO DETERMINE LATENT PRINTS; IS THAT CORRECT?

I CERTAINLY WANTED EVERY AREA COVERED WHERE SOMEONE MIGHT HAVE LEFT PRINTS, YES.

DID YOU HAVE THE ICE CREAM CUP DUSTED AT ALL?

NO.

AND WHAT IS A LATENT PRINT, OFFICER?

A LATENT PRINT IS A FINGERPRINT THAT'S NOT READILY OBSERVABLE WITH THE NAKED EYE.

AND SO IN ORDER TO BRING SUCH A PRINT UP, IS THERE SOME KIND OF A POWDER THAT'S USED BY THE PRINT TECHNICIANS TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN GET A PRINT FROM A PARTICULAR SUBJECT OR OBJECT?

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND IN THIS CASE, YOU HAD A VERY THOROUGH DUSTING DONE OF THE RESIDENCE THERE AT BUNDY AND THEREAFTER YOU RECEIVED A REPORT BACK; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

YES.

AND IF I CAN SHOW THIS TO COUNSEL AND APPROACH THE WITNESS, YOUR HONOR, A TWO-PAGE REPORT. I WOULD LIKE TO MARK THIS AS DEFENDANT'S NEXT IN ORDER.

I BELIEVE THAT'S 1029.

1029. THANK YOU.

(DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND DEFENSE COUNSEL.) MR. COCHRAN: I'LL PLACE A 1029 ON THIS TWO-PAGE REPORT, YOUR HONOR, THAT'S LABELED LOS ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT SCIENTIFIC INVESTIGATION DIVISION LATENT PRINT SECTION. 1029?

1029.

BY MR. COCHRAN: I WOULD LIKE TO PLACE THIS TWO-PAGE REPORT BEFORE YOU, DETECTIVE LANGE, AND ASK YOU TO TAKE A MINUTE -- TAKE A LOOK AT THAT FIRST OF ALL.

OKAY.

HAVE YOU HAD OCCASION TO SEE THAT REPORT BEFORE TODAY?

YES.

AND WHERE HAVE YOU SEEN THAT REPORT?

ONE WAS FORWARDED TO ME.

AND WHEN DID YOU RECEIVE IT?

GOSH, IT'S BEEN SOME TIME BACK. I DON'T RECALL.

APPROXIMATELY.

THIS PARTICULAR ONE WAS PROBABLY A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.

ALL RIGHT. AND WITH REGARD TO THAT REPORT, IS THAT A REPORT OF THE FINDINGS OF THE PRINT TECHNICIANS WHO DUSTED THE AREA YOU'VE DESCRIBED FOR THE COURT AND JURY AT THE BUNDY LOCATION?

TO DATE, YES.

AND IN CONNECTION WITH THAT REPORT, WHO WAS THE PRINT TECHNICIAN WHO DID THIS WORK?

WHO DID THE COMPARATIVE WORK?

YES. COMPARITIVE WORK.

IT IS ALVARADO. EXCUSE ME. ALVARDO, A-L-V-A-R-D-O.

AND SO ALVARDO WORKING UNDER YOUR DIRECTION DUSTED THESE AREAS YOU'VE DESCRIBED FOR PRINTS REGARDING BUNDY?

NO. MAYBE I SHOULD CLEAR THAT UP. ALVARDO DID THE COMPARISON WORK IN THE LAB. THE DUSTING AT THE SCENE WAS DONE BY FOUR DIFFERENT PERSONS.

WHO WERE THEY?

BRAGGS, DUKE, UDESHI AND CLAIBORNE.

HOW DO YOU SPELL THOSE NAMES?

BRAGGS, B-R-A-G-G-S, DUKE, D-U-K-E, UDESHI APPEARS TO BE U-D-E-S-H-I, CLAIBORNE, C-L-A-I-B-O-R-N-E.

BY MR. COCHRAN: AS I UNDERSTAND IT THEN, THESE FOUR INDIVIDUALS ARE LIKE TECHNICIANS. THEY'RE THE ONES WHO WORK IN THE FIELD. THEY FOLLOW OUT -- THEY CARRY OUT YOUR INSTRUCTIONS; IS THAT CORRECT?

YES.

THEY THEN TAKE -- AFTER THEY MAKE THE COLLECTION OF THE LATENT PRINTS, IF ANY, THEY THEN TAKE THEM DOWNTOWN TO THE SCIENTIFIC INVESTIGATION DIVISION; IS THAT CORRECT?

YES.

AND THEN A COMPARISON IS MADE BY ALVARDO; IS THAT CORRECT?

THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS, YES.

AND THEN THE REPORT BEFORE YOU IS A TWO-PAGE REPORT BY ALVARDO; IS THAT CORRECT?

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND IN THE COURSE OF THIS, WERE YOU LOOKING TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT MR. SIMPSON'S FINGERPRINTS WERE ON ANY OF THESE PARTICULAR AREAS?

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND WHAT IS THE -- COUNSEL -- AND THE REPORT -- YOU HAVE A REPORT AS TO WHETHER OR NOT MR. SIMPSON'S PRINTS WERE IN ANY OF THESE LOCATIONS, DON'T YOU?

YES.

MAY WE HAVE A MOMENT, YOUR HONOR? I'M TRYING TO AVOID A SIDEBAR.

MAY WE APPROACH, YOUR HONOR?

YES, WITH THE COURT REPORTER, PLEASE.