AND AS A HOMICIDE DETECTIVE, YOU'VE HAD SOME GREAT EXPERIENCE IN INVESTIGATING HOMICIDES AS SUCH; IS THAT CORRECT?
AND IN THE COURSE OF YOUR CAREER AS A LOS ANGELES POLICE OFFICER, DETECTIVE, YOU HAVE INVESTIGATED I BELIEVE YOU SAID SOME 250 TO 300 HOMICIDES, RIGHT?
AND YOU KNOW THAT WHEN YOU COME ON THE SCENE OF A HOMICIDE AS THE DETECTIVE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO KNOW IS, YOU WANT TO TRY TO SOLVE A PARTICULAR CRIME OR CRIMES; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
AND YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE NOT AN ISLAND ON TO YOURSELF. YOU HAVE A TEAM OF PEOPLE THAT WORK WITH YOU; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
IN THIS CASE, YOU HAD A TEAM OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY BE AT YOUR DISPOSAL; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
YOU UTILIZED THE SERVICES OF DETECTIVES FUHRMAN AND PHILLIPS WHILE THEY WERE STILL THERE; IS THAT CORRECT?
AND THE CRIMINALIST YOU TALKED ABOUT WAS A CRIMINALIST BY THE NAME OF DENNIS FUNG; IS THAT CORRECT?
THERE WAS ALSO ANOTHER -- A FEMALE CRIMINALIST WHO CAME OUT THERE BY THE NAME OF MAZZOLA; ISN'T THAT CORRECT.
AND MAZZOLA IN FACT WAS THE OFFICER IN CHARGE AS BETWEEN SHE AND FUNG ON THAT PARTICULAR DAY; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
I HAVE HEARD OF A REPORT THAT PROBABLY INCORRECTLY STATES THAT SHE WAS. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING SHE WAS A TRAINEE.
KEY QUOTEYOU DON'T KNOW THAT? ALL RIGHT. SO YOU HAVE THESE CRIMINALISTS, AND YOU HAD SOME PRINT PEOPLE, FINGERPRINT PEOPLE; IS THAT CORRECT?
DID YOU HAVE ANYBODY COME OUT AND CHECK FOR FOOTPRINTS? DID YOU HAVE ANY FOOTPRINT SPECIALISTS THERE?
NO. OTHER THAN THE CRIMINALISTS WHO I REQUESTED TO DO A STRIDE ANALYSIS AND PHOTOGRAPH THE PRINTS. OTHER THAN THAT, NO.
DID YOU EVER ASK ANYONE TO GO OVER INTO THIS LOOSE DIRT AREA THAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED FOR US AND ATTEMPT TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT YOU COULD MATCH UP ANY SHOEPRINTS OR FOOTPRINTS IN THAT LOOSE DIRT AREA?
YOU KNEW OF COURSE THAT HIS ASSAILANT OR ASSAILANTS HAD PERHAPS BEEN IN THAT AREA; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
YOU KNEW BECAUSE YOU SAW A PICTURE OF DETECTIVE FUHRMAN THAT HE HAD BEEN IN THAT AREA, HIS FOOTPRINTS WERE IN THERE; IS THAT RIGHT?
OBJECTION. COUNSEL IS TESTIFYING. THERE'S BEEN NO FACTS -- ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE.
BY MR. COCHRAN: SURE. YOU'VE SEEN THAT PHOTOGRAPH OF DETECTIVE FUHRMAN POINTING DOWN TOWARD THE FOLIAGE WITH HIS FOOT IN THAT LOOSE DIRT, DIDN'T YOU?
SO THERE HAD BEEN A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO HAD BEEN WALKING IN THIS LOOSE DIRT AREA; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
NOW, SIR, AS AN EXPERIENCED HOMICIDE DETECTIVE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO KNOW AND TRY TO DETERMINE WOULD BE THE TIME OF DEATH OF THESE VICTIMS; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
AND SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR AND THE JURY IS CLEAR, THE L.A. COUNTY CORONER'S OFFICE IS A SEPARATE COUNTY ENTITY, SEPARATE AND DISTINCT FROM THE LOS ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
AND OVER THE COURSE OF YOUR 20 YEARS, WHENEVER YOU'VE HAD A BODY IN LOS ANGELES CITY, YOU'VE HAD TO CALL THE CORONER AND YOU'VE HAD TO WORK HAND IN GLOVE WITH THE CORONER; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
NOW, IN THAT CONNECTION, YOU KNOW THAT THE CORONER'S OFFICE, WHEN THEY GET TO THE SCENE, THEY DO THINGS LIKE TAKE A LIVER TEMPERATURE; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
AND WHAT OTHER THINGS ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT THE CORONER'S OFFICE WILL DO IN AN EFFORT TO DETERMINE OR EXTRAPOLATE BACKWARDS AND DETERMINE THE CAUSE OF DEATH -- THE TIME OF DEATH?
IN AN EFFORT TO GENERALLY DETERMINE TIME OF DEATH, I'M AWARE OF SEVERAL THINGS THEY WOULD DO. THEY WOULD TEST FOR RIGOR MORTIS. THEY WOULD TEST PERHAPS FOR LIVIDITY. OF COURSE, THE LIVER TEMPERATURE. THEY WOULD INTERVIEW THE INVESTIGATOR AT THE SCENE.
I'M AWARE OF THAT EXAMINATION, BUT I'M ALSO AWARE THAT THE LOS ANGELES COUNTY CORONER'S OFFICE DOES NOT CONDUCT THOSE EXAMINATIONS IN THE FIELD.
ALL RIGHT. NOW, YOU MENTIONED RIGOR MORTIS. AND IN THE TIME THAT THE CORONER IS THERE AND THESE BODIES WERE MOVED, WHAT TIME WAS THAT, WAS THE BODY OF NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON MOVED?
BY FULL RIGOR MORTIS, IT MEANS THAT THE MUSCLES IN THE BODY HAVE BECOME RIGID DUE TO A COAGULATION OF PROTEIN IN THE BLOOD.
ALL RIGHT. AND WITH REGARD TO THE LIVIDITY, WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT LIVIDITY WITH REGARD TO HER BODY, IF ANYTHING, AT THAT TIME?
ALL RIGHT. AND WHAT WAS THE AMBIENT TEMPERATURE AT OR ABOUT THE TIME OF 10:30 A.M.? WHAT WAS THE TEMPERATURE OUTSIDE THERE AT THE TIME THE CORONER ARRIVED?
AND YOU SAID THAT THE CORONERS TOOK HER BODY INTO THE CORONER'S VEHICLE AND TOOK A LIVER TEMPERATURE, RIGHT?
NOW, THESE THINGS THAT THE CORONER'S OFFICE DID AT 10:30 A.M., APPROXIMATELY 10 AND A HALF HOURS AFTER THE FIRST OFFICER ARRIVED AT THE SCENE, IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER HAD THEY BEEN ABLE TO DO THOSE THINGS MUCH EARLIER AND AFTER THESE BODIES WERE FOUND; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
WELL, IN A PERFECT HOMICIDE INVESTIGATION, WHICH I'M SURE YOU STRIVE FOR, WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO HAVE THE CORONER OUT THERE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO RENDER THAT KIND OF ASSISTANCE, TO CHECK THE LIVER TEMPERATURE, TO CHECK THE LIVIDITY, TO CHECK THE STATE OF RIGOR MORTIS AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE? WOULDN'T YOU WANT THAT?
BY MR. COCHRAN: WITH REGARD TO THIS AREA, THIS LOOSE DIRT AREA YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT --
BY MR. COCHRAN: NOW, WITH REGARD TO PEOPLE'S EXHIBIT 83, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. THIS AREA SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR, HOW WIDE IS THIS PARTICULAR AREA? DID YOU TAKE SOME MEASUREMENTS?
BY MR. COCHRAN: WHAT'S THE WIDTH OF THIS AREA WHERE MR. GOLDMAN'S BODY WAS LOCATED, THE WIDTH?
ALL RIGHT. SO IT'S LESS THAN SIX FEET FROM SOUTH TO NORTH. AND FROM THE TREE LOOKING WEST TO EAST, HOW WIDE IS IT?
AND THAT LOOSE DIRT AREA OVER THERE INDICATES TO YOU THAT THERE HAD BEEN SOME MOVEMENT, SOME VIOLENT MOVEMENT OF THE EARTH TO CAUSE THAT AS FAR AS YOU COULD TELL; IS THAT CORRECT?
BUT YOU HAVE SURMISED A NUMBER OF THINGS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SURMISED WAS THAT DIRT WAS MOVED IN THE COURSE OF THE ALTERCATION; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
ALL RIGHT. AND YOU ALSO DESCRIBED WHEN MISS CLARK WAS ASKING YOU QUESTIONS, THAT MR. GOLDMAN MAY HAVE HAD SOME KEYS IN HIS HAND AT THE TIME HE WAS BEING CONFRONTED BY ASSAILANT OR ASSAILANTS; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
AND YOU KNOW, DO YOU NOT, THAT IF A PERSON HAS KEYS IN THEIR HAND, THAT IS ONE OF THE WAYS THAT YOU COULD INFLICT A WOUND ON THE PERSON WHO WAS ATTACKING YOU; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
IN ADDITION TO THAT, AT SOME POINT, MR. GOLDMAN ALSO APPARENTLY HAD A RING ON HIS FINGER; IS THAT CORRECT?
AND SO THIS AREA THAT WE NOW KNOW IS LESS THAN SIX FEET AND ABOUT FOUR FEET ALSO HAD A TREE AS DEPICTED THERE IN PEOPLE'S 83, KIND OF RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT; IS THAT RIGHT?
AND YOU HAVE DESCRIBED FOR US EARLIER THAT MR. GOLDMAN IN THE COURSE OF THIS ALTERCATION SUSTAINED SOME DEFENSIVE WOUNDS, IS THAT CORRECT, IN HIS HANDS?
THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD PLAN OF WORDS, HAND AND GLOVE, RIGHT?
THAT WOULD BE IDEAL. WE DON'T OFTEN SEE THAT.
I HAVE HEARD OF A REPORT THAT PROBABLY INCORRECTLY STATES THAT SHE WAS. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING SHE WAS A TRAINEE.
IT WAS APPARENT HE DID PUT UP A FIGHT, YES.