THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. THE PEOPLE CALL DETECTIVE RON PHILLIPS.

PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. YOU DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU MAY GIVE IN THE CAUSE NOW PENDING BEFORE THIS COURT, SHALL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD.

I DO.

PLEASE HAVE A SEAT ON THE WITNESS STAND AND STATE AND SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAMES FOR THE RECORD.

RONALD PHILLIPS. R-O-N-A-L-D, PHILLIPS, P-H-I-L-L-I-P-S.

THANK YOU.

MISS CLARK.

THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

DIRECT EXAMINATION

BY MS. CLARK:

GOOD MORNING, SIR.

GOOD MORNING.

WILL YOU PLEASE TELL US WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING.

I'M A POLICE OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES CURRENTLY ASSIGNED TO WEST LOS ANGELES DETECTIVES WHERE I WORK THE HOMICIDE UNIT.

NOW, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN ASSIGNED TO THAT PARTICULAR JOB?

I HAVE BEEN A DETECTIVE SINCE 1978. I WORKED WEST LOS ANGELES DETECTIVES SINCE 1989 AND I HAVE WORKED THE HOMICIDE UNIT THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF.

NOW, CAN YOU TELL US, SIR, WHAT ARE YOUR DUTIES AS A HOMICIDE DETECTIVE?

WELL, I'M A HOMICIDE COORDINATOR IS WHAT I AM. I SUPERVISE A HOMICIDE UNIT. MY RESPONSIBILITIES ARE AS SOON AS A HOMICIDE OCCURS IN THE WEST LOS ANGELES AREA, I AM NOTIFIED BY THE WATCH COMMANDER OR BY MY COMMANDING OFFICER, WHO WOULD BE LIEUTENANT SPANGLER, THAT A HOMICIDE HAS OCCURRED AND REQUEST THAT I ROLL TO THE SCENE. I WILL THEN MAKE THE DETERMINATION ON HOW MANY OTHER DETECTIVES OUT MY HOMICIDE UNIT WILL ROLL TO THAT CRIME SCENE AND THEN I WILL ASSIGN THAT CRIME SCENE TO A PARTICULAR DETECTIVE OR TEAM OF DETECTIVES TO HANDLE IT. I DO NOT INVESTIGATE THE HOMICIDES MYSELF.

DID YOU AT ONE TIME?

YES.

AND WHEN WAS THAT?

THE FIRST HOMICIDE I EVER INVESTIGATED WAS BACK IN 1970 IN RAMPART DIVISION AND I WENT ON LOAN TO ROBBERY/HOMICIDE DIVISION AND WORKED A MAJOR OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING WHERE A LOS ANGELES POLICE OFFICER WAS KILLED. I HAVE WORKED SOME HOMICIDE IN NORTHEAST, 77TH AND HARBOR DIVISION.

OKAY. HOW LONG?

I HAVE ALSO WORKED SEVERAL HOMICIDES IN RELATIONSHIP TO WORKING AS A ROBBERY DETECTIVE OR VICTIMS OF STORES OR SUSPECTS IN THE COMMISSION OF ROBBERIES WERE KILLED IN THESE ROBBERIES AND I EITHER INDIRECTLY OR DIRECTLY WAS INVOLVED IN THOSE HOMICIDE INVESTIGATIONS AS A ROBBERY DETECTIVE.

HOW LONG WERE YOU A ROBBERY DETECTIVE?

SINCE 1978 I HAVE BEEN A ROBBERY DETECTIVE PROBABLY 75, 80 PERCENT OF THE TIME.

YOU HAVE BEEN A POLICE OFFICER FOR HOW LONG?

28 YEARS.

WITH LOS ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT?

YES.

HOW MUCH OF THAT TIME HAS BEEN SPENT IN WEST LOS ANGELES?

AS I SAID, I WENT TO WEST LOS ANGELES DIVISION IN FEBRUARY OF 1989.

NOW, AS OF JUNE 12, 1994, WHAT WAS YOUR ASSIGNMENT?

I WAS A WEST LOS ANGELES HOMICIDE COORDINATOR. I WAS ALSO THE WEST LOS ANGELES MAC COORDINATOR, WHICH IS A MAJOR ASSAULT CRIME TABLE THAT WE ALSO HAVE THAT DEALS WITH CRIMES LESS THAN ACTUAL HOMICIDES. I WAS WILL IN CHARGE OF THE CAPS UNIT WHICH WAS A CRIME AGAINST PERSONS UNIT AND I WAS ALSO IN CHARGE OF THE SEX CRIME UNIT. I WORE THREE HATS AT ONE TIME.

A LOT.

NOW, THE MAC UNIT THAT YOU DESCRIBED, MAJOR --

MAJOR ASSAULT CRIMES. THAT HAS TO DO WITH SPOUSAL ABUSE, SPOUSAL CRIMES, ADW'S, BATTERIES, THREATENING PHONE CALLS, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT BASICALLY HAVE TO DO WITH DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

BY "ADW" YOU MEAN?

ASSAULT WITH A DEADLY WEAPON, I'M SORRY.

AND FOR HOW LONG -- ALL RIGHT. DO YOU CONTINUE TO FULFILL ALL THOSE THREE FUNCTIONS?

NO, I DON'T. THE ONLY FUNCTION I HAVE TODAY IS AS THE WEST LOS ANGELES HOMICIDE COORDINATOR.

DIRECTING YOUR ATTENTION, SIR, TO THE DATE OF JUNE 13, 1994, DID YOU GET WOKEN UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT?

I WAS WOKEN UP ABOUT ONE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING ON JUNE 13 BY A SERGEANT ROSSI.

AND WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT PHONE CALL?

HE INFORMED ME THAT THERE HAD BEEN A DOUBLE HOMICIDE IN WEST LOS ANGELES DIVISION, THAT IT HAD OCCURRED AT 875 SOUTH BUNDY, THAT THERE WAS A FEMALE AND I BELIEVE A MALE IS WHAT HE TOLD ME, VICTIMS, AND THAT PRELIMINARILY HE THOUGHT THAT MAYBE THE FEMALE WAS THE EX-WIFE OR WIFE OF O.J. SIMPSON.

DID HE TELL YOU THAT WAS CONFIRMED OR --

OBJECTION TO ANYTHING FURTHER. THAT WAS PRELIMINARY. I OBJECT. HEARSAY.

SUSTAINED.

BY MS. CLARK: UPON HANGING UP WITH SERGEANT ROSSI, DID YOU -- WHAT DID YOU DO?

UPON HANGING UP I THEN CALLED DETECTIVE MARK FUHRMAN, WHO WAS IN THE WEST L.A. HOMICIDE UNIT, INFORMED HIM OF WHAT I HAD BEEN TOLD AND REQUESTED THAT HE RESPOND TO WEST L.A. STATION WHERE I WOULD MEET HIM AND WE WOULD TRAVEL TO THE LOCATION TOGETHER.

AND DID YOU IMMEDIATELY ATTEMPT TO NOTIFY MR. SIMPSON OF THE MURDERS THAT YOU HAD JUST HEARD ABOUT?

NO, I DID NOT.

WHY NOT?

YOU WOULD WANT TO BE SURE FIRST?

OBJECT. COUNSEL IS TESTIFYING.

BY MS. CLARK: WOULD YOU WANT TO BE SURE?

MOVE TO STRIKE.

SHE HAS WITHDRAWN THE QUESTION AND ASKING A NEW QUESTION. PROCEED.

THANK YOU.

WOULD YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE OF WHO THE VICTIM WAS FIRST BEFORE YOU MADE NOTIFICATION?

YES.

ALL RIGHT. SO AFTER YOU CALLED DETECTIVE FUHRMAN, WHAT DID YOU DO?

I THEN CALLED A DETECTIVE BRAD ROBERTS WHO ALSO WORKS WEST LOS ANGELES DETECTIVES IN THE HOMICIDE UNIT. I INFORMED HIM OF THE SITUATION THAT I HAD JUST BEEN INFORMED OF AND ASKED THAT HE RESPOND TO WEST L.A. STATION AND PICK UP HIS UNIT AND MEET ME AT THE LOCATION ALSO.

AND WHAT DID YOU DO AFTER THAT?

I THEN ALSO NOTIFIED -- I BELIEVE I MIGHT HAVE DONE THIS ON MY CELLULAR PHONE ENROUTE TO THE STATION -- I ALSO NOTIFIED TOM NOLAN WHO IS A WEST L.A. HOMICIDE DETECTIVE. I BELIEVE I NOTIFIED TOM NOLAN AFTER I MADE THREE OTHER ATTEMPTS TO NOTIFY THREE OTHER DETECTIVES WHO WERE NOT AVAILABLE, AND THEN I NOTIFIED TOM NOLAN AND HE SAID HE WOULD MEET DETECTIVE ROBERTS EITHER AT THE STATION OR AT THE SCENE, DEPENDING ON WHAT TIME THEY GOT IN THERE TOGETHER.

AND YOU GOT TO THE STATION?

YES, I DID.

WHO ELSE WAS THERE OF THE PEOPLE YOU HAD NOTIFIED WHEN YOU GOT TO THE STATION?

WHEN I FIRST ARRIVED THERE WAS NOBODY THERE.

YOU WERE THE ONLY ONE?

WELL, I MEAN THERE WAS POLICEMEN IN THE STATION BUT NONE OF MY DETECTIVES WERE THERE.

DID SOMEONE EVENTUALLY SHOW UP OF THE PEOPLE YOU CALLED?

YES. WITHIN ABOUT FIVE MINUTES AFTER I ARRIVED DETECTIVE FUHRMAN SHOWED UP.

AND ABOUT WHAT TIME WAS THAT?

I WOULD SAY IT WAS ABOUT 1:50 IN THE MORNING BECAUSE WE SPENT MAYBE FIVE OR TEN MINUTES INSIDE THE STATION GETTING STUFF READY. I TALKED TO A COUPLE OF OFFICERS AT THE DESK AND THEN WE ROLLED OUT TO THE LOCATION.

NOW, DID YOU GO ALONE OR DID YOU GO TOGETHER?

I WENT TO 875 SOUTH BUNDY ALONG WITH DETECTIVE FUHRMAN.

OKAY. DID YOU RIDE IN THE SAME CAR TOGETHER, YOU AND HE?

YES. I DROVE AND HE WAS A PASSENGER.

OKAY. WHEN YOU GOT TO THE LOCATION OF 875 SOUTH BUNDY, WHERE DID YOU PARK?

I DROVE UP BUNDY AVENUE. I MADE A RIGHT TURN ON DOROTHY BECAUSE I NOTICED THERE WERE SEVERAL POLICE CARS INSIDE THE -- IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET. THERE WAS YELLOW TAPE ACROSS BUNDY AVENUE RIGHT AT DOROTHY, SO I MADE A RIGHT TURN AND PARKED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF DOROTHY JUST EAST OF BUNDY.

TWO, PLEASE. HIS IS PEOPLE'S 51, YOUR HONOR.

BY MS. CLARK: SHOWING YOU PEOPLE'S 51, SIR, DO YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT WE ARE SHOWING YOU HERE?

YES. THAT IS THE INTERSECTION OF DOROTHY AND BUNDY.

CAN YOU TELL US WHICH IS DOROTHY AND WHICH IS BUNDY?

THE POLICE CARS THAT ARE FACING -- THE TWO POLICE CARS FACING IN ONE DIRECTION WITH THE LIGHTS ON THE POLICE CAR IS BUNDY. DOROTHY IS WHERE THIS CAR AT THE LOWER PART OF THE PICTURE IS FACING.

OKAY. NOW, THE POLICE CAR AND THE BROWN CAR, ARE THEY -- WHICH DIRECTION ARE THEY FACING ON BUNDY?

NORTHBOUND.

AND THE CAR IN THE FOREGROUND OF THIS PHOTOGRAPH IS FACING IN WHICH DIRECTION ON DOROTHY?

IT APPEARS TO BE FACING SOMEWHAT EASTBOUND ON DOROTHY.

AND IF YOU COULD ORIENT YOURSELF WITH RESPECT TO THIS PHOTOGRAPH, TELL US WHERE YOU PARKED THE CAR.

IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I THINK I PARKED MY CAR, IT WOULD BE FURTHER EAST OF THE CAR THAT IS PARKED IN THE FOREGROUND OF THIS PICTURE.

ON DOROTHY?

ON DOROTHY.

AND ON THAT SAME SIDE OF THE STREET; IS THAT CORRECT?

YES.

AND WHAT DID YOU DO AFTER THAT?

I EXITED THE CAR, WALKED OVER TO THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET WHERE I MET WITH SERGEANT DAVE ROSSI.

AND WHERE WAS IT YOU MET WITH SERGEANT ROSSI?

HE WAS STANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET AT DOROTHY AND BUNDY MORE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF DOROTHY, BUT STILL IN THE INTERSECTION OF DOROTHY AND BUNDY RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET.

CAN YOU TELL US, DETECTIVE, FOR A MOMENT, WHAT IS SERGEANT ROSSI'S RESPONSIBILITY THERE?

OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR, AS IRRELEVANT AND IMMATERIAL.

OVERRULED. BRIEFLY.

WELL, SERGEANT ROSSI IS AN AWC, WHICH IS AN ASSISTANT WATCH COMMANDER. HE -- IN THE ABSENCE OF A LIEUTENANT HE IS IN CHARGE OF WHATEVER WATCH HE HAPPENS TO BE WORKING, WHICH MEANS THAT HE IS THE HIGHEST RANKING OFFICIAL THAT IS WORKING ON THAT WATCH. HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE POLICE OFFICERS, DESK PERSONNEL, JAIL FUNCTIONS. ANYTHING THAT GOES ON IN THAT STATION DURING HIS WATCH HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR. I THINK THAT HIS REASONING FOR BEING OUT THERE --

WAIT.

MOVE TO STRIKE THE LATTER PART.

HIS REASONING FOR BEING OUT THERE IS NOT RELEVANT TO THE QUESTION.

OKAY.

SO WHAT ARE HIS RESPONSIBILITIES AT THE CRIME SCENE?

AGAIN, YOUR HONOR, THIS IS 352.

OVERRULED.

WELL, HIS RESPONSIBILITY AT THE CRIME SCENE WOULD BE TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE THAT CRIME SCENE UNTIL WE ARRIVE, THE DETECTIVES WHO WERE GOING TO TAKE OVER THAT INVESTIGATION AND TAKE OVER THAT CRIME SCENE.

BY MS. CLARK: AND IS IT HIS RESPONSIBILITY TO EXAMINE THE EVIDENCE AND CALL THE CORONER, CALL THE PHOTOGRAPHER AND THE CRIMINALIST?

OBJECT TO THE FORM OF THIS QUESTION. THIS QUESTION IS COMPOUND, YOUR HONOR.

SUSTAINED.

I WAS TRYING TO PUT IT ALL INTO ONE.

I KNOW. THERE IS AN OBJECTION AND IT IS WELL-TAKEN. SUSTAINED.

BY MS. CLARK: IS IT HIS RESPONSIBILITY TO CALL FOR THE CRIMINALIST TO ARRIVE AND EXAMINE THE EVIDENCE?

NO.

IS IT HIS RESPONSIBILITY TO SEE THAT THE EVIDENCE IS COLLECTED?

NO.

IS IT HIS RESPONSIBILITY TO SEE THAT A PHOTOGRAPHER IS CALLED?

NO.

IS IT HIS RESPONSIBILITY TO DIRECT THE PHOTOGRAPHER IN WHAT TO TAKE PICTURES OF?

NO.

IS IT HIS RESPONSIBILITY TO NOTIFY THE CORONER?

NO.

IS IT HIS RESPONSIBILITY TO SUPERVISE WHAT YOU DO AND DETERMINE WHEN AND HOW YOU SHOULD CALL THE CORONER?

NO, IT IS NOT.

WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY ARE THOSE THINGS?

ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE TERM "INVESTIGATING OFFICER"?

YES.

AND HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT FROM THE TERM "WATCH COMMANDER"?

WELL, IT IS TWO -- TWO COMPLETE SEPARATE FUNCTIONS. THE WATCH COMMANDER IS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS; IT IS A WATCH COMMANDER. HE COMMANDS THAT ENTIRE WATCH, WHATEVER THAT WATCH HAPPENS TO BE. AN INVESTIGATING OFFICER IS A PERSON WHO IS ASSIGNED TO A PARTICULAR CRIME OR A PARTICULAR INVESTIGATION THAT HAS TO DO WITH A CRIME. THAT IS HIS SOLE RESPONSIBILITY AS THE INVESTIGATION OF THAT CRIME. HE IS THE INVESTIGATING OFFICER. HE IS -- THE OTHER PERSON IS A WATCH COMMANDER OF AN ENTIRE WATCH.

AND WHEN YOU SAY HE WATCHES THE ENTIRE COMMAND, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

WELL, HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING THAT OCCURS ON HIS WATCH. HE HANDLES ROLL CALLS, HE HANDLES END OF WATCHES, HE REVIEWS REPORTS, APPROVES BOOKINGS, MAKES JAIL CHECKS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE JAIL IS BEING RUN ADEQUATELY, SEES THAT PROPERTY IS BOOKED PROPERLY. IF THERE IS A SITUATION THAT WARRANTS HE GO OUT BECAUSE IT IS A MAJOR OCCURRENCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN HE HAS TO GO OUT AND SEE WHAT IT IS BECAUSE HE IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE TO NOTIFY THE NEXT CHAIN OF COMMAND.

AND THAT IS HIS RESPONSIBILITY, IS TO NOTIFY THE NEXT CHAIN OF COMMAND?

ASKED AND ANSWERED, YOUR HONOR.

OVERRULED.

IF THE SITUATION DICTATES IT, THEN HE WILL NOTIFY THE NEXT CHAIN OF COMMAND UP AND KEEP ON GOING.

BY MS. CLARK: SO WITH RESPECT TO THE DUTIES OF A WATCH COMMANDER AT A HOMICIDE SCENE, WHAT ARE THOSE DUTIES?

I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT?

WHAT ARE THE DUTIES OF A WATCH COMMANDER AT THE SCENE OF A HOMICIDE?

HIS DUTIES?

DEPENDS. I THINK THAT IS -- THERE IS A LOT OF FACTS. THIS DEPENDS. ARE THE DETECTIVES THERE NOW? HE CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

I WILL MAKE IT MORE SPECIFIC, YOUR HONOR.

BRIEFLY.

BY MS. CLARK: PRIOR TO THE ARRIVAL OF DETECTIVES, WHAT ARE THE DUTIES OF A WATCH COMMANDER AT THE SCENE OF A HOMICIDE?

WELL, HIS DUTIES WOULD JUST BE TO SEE THAT HIS PERSONNEL, WHOEVER IS AT THAT CRIME SCENE, DID THEIR JOB IN AN ADEQUATE MANNER. HE WOULD GO OUT THERE AND LOOK AT IT AND SAY, WELL, I THINK IT IS DONE RIGHT OR THIS IS WHAT YOU GUYS NEED TO IMPROVE ON OR THIS HASN'T BEEN DONE CORRECTLY AND IMPROVE THIS. BASICALLY TO OVERSEE WHAT HIS PEOPLE ARE DOING, TO SEE WHAT HE HAS, SO WHEN HE MAKES A NOTIFICATION TO ME, HE HAS SOME IDEA OF WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT. WHEN HE MAKES NOTIFICATION TO THE NEXT LEVEL, HE HAS SOME IDEA WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT.

AND WHAT WITH RESPECT TO SECURING THE SCENE IS HIS DUTY?

OBJECT TO THIS. THIS IS ALL REDUNDANT, CUMULATIVE, 352.

WE ARE GETTING CLOSE.

ONE LAST ONE.

WE ARE GETTING CLOSE.

BY MS. CLARK: WITH RESPECT TO SECURING THE CRIME SCENES, WHAT ARE HIS DUTIES?

WELL, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE CRIME SCENE HAS ALREADY BEEN SECURED BY THE TIME HE GOT THERE. IT WOULD BE SECURED BY THE PATROL OFFICERS AND THE FIELD SUPERVISORS THAT HAVE ALREADY ARRIVED MUCH HIT FUNG OR HIS RESPONSIBILITY, IF HE WENT OUT THERE, WOULD JUST BE TO OVERSEE IT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT HE EXPECTS OF HIS FIELD SUPERVISORS AND HIS FIELD FORCES WAS ADEQUATELY DONE. AND IF HE SAW SOMETHING THAT WASN'T DONE, BRING IT TO THEIR ATTENTION AS A TRAINING EXERCISE, MAYBE SO IT WOULDN'T OCCUR IN THE FUTURE.

AND KEEP PEOPLE OUT OF THE CRIME SCENE THAT DON'T BELONG THERE?

OBJECT, YOUR HONOR, LEADING.

SUSTAINED.

SUGGESTIVE, 352.

SUSTAINED OPEN THE LEADING.

BY MS. CLARK: WHAT ARE HIS DUTIES WITH RESPECT TO ALLOWING -- WHO TO ALLOW INSIDE THE CRIME SCENE?

YOUR HONOR, 352 AGAIN, YOUR HONOR.

OVERRULED. LAST QUESTION.

HIS RESPONSIBILITIES OF ALLOWING ANYBODY INTO THE CRIME SCENE? I WOULD ASSUME BY THE TIME HE GOT THERE THAT CRIME SCENE WOULD HAVE BEEN SEALED OFF, AND WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MAYBE HIMSELF GOING THROUGH THAT CRIME SCENE TO ACTUALLY SEE WHAT WAS THERE, I WOULD ASSUME THAT HE WOULD NOT ALLOW ANYBODY ELSE INTO THAT CRIME SCENE OTHER THAN WHO HAD ALREADY BEEN IN THERE PRIOR TO HIS ARRIVAL.

BY MS. CLARK: NOW, WHEN YOU GOT TO THE LOCATION OF 875 SOUTH BUNDY ON THE NIGHT OF JUNE -- IN THE EARLY MORNING HOURS OF JUNE THE 13TH, SIR, DID YOU SEE CRIME SCENE TAPE?

YES, I DID.

IT WAS ALREADY UP?

YES, IT WAS.

DO YOU SEE THAT IN THE PHOTOGRAPH MARKED AS PEOPLE'S 51?

YES, I DO.

AND WAS -- DOES THAT -- DOES THAT TAPE APPEAR TO BE BLOCKING OFF THE TRAFFIC ON BUNDY?

YES, IT IS.

WAS IT BLOCKED OFF WHEN YOU GOT THERE?

YES, IT WAS. BOTH NORTH AND SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC HAD BEEN BLOCKED OFF.

YOUR HONOR, THIS IS EXHIBIT 38.

BY MS. CLARK: DO YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT IS SHOWN IN P-38, SIR?

YES. THIS IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE REAR OF 875 SOUTH BUNDY. I BELIEVE -- WE ARE STANDING ON DOROTHY AVENUE LOOKING NORTHBOUND THROUGH THE ALLEY AT THE REAR OF THAT LOCATION.

AND DO YOU SEE THE CRIME SCENE TAPE THERE?

YES, I DO.

AND WAS IT IN THAT POSITION WHEN YOU APPEARED ON THE -- IN THE EARLY MORNING HOURS OF JUNE THE 13TH?

YES, IT WAS.

WERE THERE OTHER POLICE OFFICERS AND POLICE CARS THERE WHEN YOU ARRIVED?

YES, THERE WERE SEVERAL.

WHAT TIME WAS IT THAT YOU AND DETECTIVE FUHRMAN ARRIVED AT 875 SOUTH BUNDY?

I ARRIVED AT THAT LOCATION AT 2:10 IN THE MORNING OF JUNE 13.

NOW, WHEN YOU ARRIVED THERE, YOU INDICATED EARLIER, I THINK, THAT YOU MET WITH SERGEANT ROSSI AT THE INTERSECTION OF DOROTHY AND BUNDY?

YES.

DETECTIVE FUHRMAN WAS WITH YOU?

YES.

AND WHAT -- YOU HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HIM?

YES.

DID HE -- WHAT DID HE TALK TO YOU ABOUT?

HE TOLD ME --

OBJECT. THIS WILL BE HEARSAY.

YEAH.

JUST GENERALLY, DID HE TELL YOU WHAT HE HAD SEEN AT THE SCENE THERE?

YES, HE DID.

AND DESCRIBED IT BRIEFLY?

I WILL OBJECT. THAT IS HEARSAY.

SUSTAINED.

BY MS. CLARK: DID HE RELATE TO YOU WHAT HE HAD SEEN THERE?

YES.

AND THEN WHAT DID YOU DO?

AND I THEN ASKED FOR THE OFFICER WHO WAS THE FIRST OFFICER ON THE CRIME SCENE TO ALSO TELL US WHAT HE HAD LEARNED OR WHAT HE HAD BEEN INFORMED, OF WHICH SERGEANT ROSSI ASKED OFFICER RISKE TO WALK OVER.

AND WHAT DID YOU DO NEXT?

OFFICER RISKE THEN TOLD ME WHAT HE HAD SEEN AND WHAT HE HAD BEEN TOLD AND WHAT HE HAD OBSERVED.

AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED?

I THEN ASKED FOR A PRELIMINARY WALK-THROUGH OF THE LOCATION AND I ASKED THAT OFFICER RISKE DO IT, SINCE HE IS THE ONE THAT KNEW THE MOST ABOUT IT.

AND WAS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT HE WAS THE FIRST OFFICER ON THE SCENE?

YES.

ALL RIGHT. WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT, AFTER YOU SPOKE TO OFFICER RISKE?

HE THEN TOLD US THAT WE WERE GOING TO APPROACH THE BODIES --

OBJECT AS HEARSAY, YOUR HONOR.

SUSTAINED.

BY MS. CLARK: HE --

I THEN --

DID HE HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU, SIR?

YES.

BASED ON WHAT HE TOLD YOU, WHAT DID YOU DO?

WE APPROACHED THE BODIES FROM BUNDY AVENUE ITSELF FROM THE FRONT.

YOUR HONOR, CAN WE CUT THE FEED?

THIS WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE TIME, YOUR HONOR, TO BREAK FOR LUNCH.

MAY I? MAY I?

DO YOU HAVE AN APPOINTMENT, MR. COCHRAN?

WELL, MAY WE APPROACH FOR A MINUTE?

WELL, IF WE DO THAT WE WILL SHOOT UP OUR LAST FOUR MINUTES. ALL RIGHT. MISS CLARK, CONTINUE, PLEASE.

CAN WE CUT THE FEED?

YES, IT IS.

THIS IS PEOPLE'S 42.

BY MS. CLARK: DO YOU SEE THE PHOTOGRAPH THAT HAS BEEN MARKED AS PEOPLE'S 42?

YES, I DO.

CAN YOU TELL US, YOU SAID YOU APPROACHED THE -- YOU APPROACHED THE CRIME SCENE?

YES.

TELL US, FIRST OF ALL, DO YOU SEE THAT WALKWAY?

YES.

DO YOU RECOGNIZE THAT?

YES. THAT IS THE WALKWAY THAT WALKS FROM THE SIDEWALK ON BUNDY TO THE RESIDENCE AT 875.

AND DO YOU RECALL WHETHER IT APPEARED THEN AS IT DOES NOW IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH?

IT APPEARS EXACTLY THE SAME.

NOW, HOW -- DID YOU WALK ON THAT WALKWAY, SIR?

NO, I DID NOT.

HOW IS IT THAT YOU APPROACHED THE CRIME SCENE?

OFFICER RISKE INFORMED -- I WENT THE SAME WAY --

OBJECT. NONRESPONSIVE.

SUSTAINED. REPHRASE THE QUESTION.

BY MS. CLARK: OFFICER RISKE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH YOU?

YES.

AND BASED ON WHAT HE TOLD YOU, SIR, HOW DID YOU APPROACH THE CRIME SCENE?

BY MS. CLARK: IF YOU WOULD WATCH YOUR MONITOR, SIR, AND TELL US -- AND DIRECT THE POINTER, IF YOU COULD, TO SHOW THE PATH THAT YOU TOOK.

IT IS RIGHT IN THAT AREA THERE, (INDICATING).

ALL RIGHT. IS THAT CORRECT?

A LITTLE BIT OVER TO THE RIGHT.

TO THE RIGHT?

YEAH. RIGHT IN THAT AREA, (INDICATING).

OKAY?

AND WALKED UP TO THAT CALL BOX AREA RIGHT THERE, (INDICATING).

IF WE COULD PLACE -- OR PLACE AN "X", ACTUALLY.

ALL RIGHT. HOW ABOUT IF WE PUT "R.P." UP IN THE UPPER LEFT-HAND CORNER FOR "RON PHILLIPS."

THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

LEFT-HAND, RIGHT-HAND, WHO CARES.

I'M SORRY, YOUR HONOR.

ALL RIGHT. MISS CLARK, I THINK THIS WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE POINT.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE OUR RECESS FOR THE LUNCH HOUR. DETECTIVE PHILLIPS, YOU ARE ORDERED TO STEP DOWN. YOU ALSO ARE ORDERED TO RETURN AT 1:45.

THANK YOU.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PLEASE REMEMBER THE ADMONITION TO YOU. DON'T DISCUSS THE CASE AMONG YOURSELVES, DON'T FORM ANY OPINIONS ABOUT THE CASE, DON'T ALLOW ANYBODY TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU ABOUT THE CASE. DON'T CONDUCT ANY DELIBERATIONS UNTIL THE MATTER HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO YOU. WE WILL STAND IN RECESS UNTIL 1:45. COUNSEL, WE ARE GOING TO GO STRAIGHT THROUGH TO 4:00.