All right. Back on the record in the Simpson matter. All parties are again present. The jury is not present. Counsel, I just wanted to ask a couple of scheduling questions before we return to Michele Kestler. My recollection of some of our discussions earlier today and yesterday was that after Miss Kestler, the Defense wanted to present the testimony regarding--from Miss McKinney and related items, correct?
Yes. I believe that is correct, your Honor. We had tried to--so we wouldn't have any down time, I had tried to arrange Mr. Weitzman, who's unavailable until the first of the week. As you may know, we're going to have this officer from Chicago, Officer Berris, the officer who recovered--it may or may not be necessary to have the officer who recovered the glass which is now out here, and the glass and the bloody towel. Then we have Menzione and then there's a fingerprint man from LAPD. As you know, Mr. Simpson's fingerprints weren't found anywhere, and we want to call Aguilar I guess his name is, Aguilar, Menzione perhaps from Chicago, Berris from Chicago. Howard Weitzman won't be available until the first of the week, and then of course we have--we pushed back Mr. Ragle. And then we have--so the next up would be Miss McKinney because she's here from North Carolina in addition to that. So that's kind of where we are. And I don't know if we'll have any downtime, but I was working over the lunch hour trying to see who else we have now. Perhaps the fingerprint person. The other people, it's going to be hard to get before the first of the week.
I was about to say, because obviously given our late start today for reasons beyond this Court's control, we may not--I hope to at least finish Miss Kestler today. Assuming we can do that, I hate to lose any more court time with the jury since we lost an entire day yesterday. So what my inquiry is, is there anybody after Miss Kestler that we can perhaps--perhaps the Prosecution can assist you in getting available, for example, the fingerprint person or somebody like that.
We would like to talk to Detective Lange and we would like to talk to Mr. Aguilar. The others--I just can't--I called Howard Weitzman today. He's involved in some new ventures and he won't be available if at all until the first of the week. The detective now can't come until the first of week. I think the problem with Menzione is the same. But I think with Aguilar, if we can talk to Lange, that might be helpful.
I thought with Menzione, there was an admissibility issue that needed to be resolved.
So that's--if they can help us with Lange, possibly Vannatter and Aguilar I would think and then we'll--and we have the McKinney matter.
Okay. Because, as I indicated to you, I think the soonest that I will be able to review the materials on the McKinney issue will be by Monday morning. So--
We want--we do want Fuhrman too. We asked--I asked for Fuhrman yesterday. So we want Detective Fuhrman back here. So--
Well, depends what the Court--I suppose that Monday will be soon enough now given where we are. By Monday.
We might want to talk to him this afternoon. We would like if possible, if Detective Lange is in the building, Lange or Vannatter, to talk to them this afternoon, which might save some time. We have a couple of questions to ask them. We can talk to them, and we might save time. And I think that's--
They're upstairs eating donuts as I understand it right now, your Honor. So if someone wants to talk to them, we'll have them come down.
KEY QUOTELange, Vannatter and Aguilar. But we still wouldn't have enough to fill the day if that's your question. Don't you have to listen to the tapes anyway?
And, you know, as I expressed to you this morning, I'm concerned about the durability of this jury.
And we are too, your Honor. Let's proceed with Miss Kestler. Let me look at our list and let's see where we get today and let me talk to you back about it at the end of the day. Because it's important also, we want that brief for you. There's a number of things, as you always say, Judge, we've got a lot of things that are coming together all at once.
You do, Judge, and you should be complimented for that. I was particularly impressed with all those transcripts you had out in there. Did you put them all back now?
This morning when Mr. Neufeld asked the Court's permission to declare Miss Kestler an adverse witness, she has indicated to me that during that July 13 conversation with Defense counsel, she did not tell them that she resented them. In fact, she told them the exact opposite. She did, however, tell counsel that she realized that they were only doing their job, but, however, she felt that at times, she thought they were rude and unprofessional in their demeanor and in the manner that they treated witnesses as I understand it, but she specifically told them she didn't resent them and that she understood that they were only doing their jobs as Defense attorneys. So I'd like to clear the record on that issue.
All right. But as I indicated to Mr. Neufeld, that if we get to the point where he feels that's appropriate, then he needs to approach first. But--and I also indicated I'd allow some leeway in use of leading questions for foundational purposes and getting to particular locations because that seemed to be the problem in getting to specific dates and times. All right. Let's have the jury, please.
The Defense was requesting a stipulation of us concerning the latent print lifts, and I had indicated that if they would put it in writing, I probably would. But I haven't seen anything as yet. So I wanted to take the opportunity to remind the Defense to give me something in writing.
Okay. Miss Clark is indicating a willingness to stipulate to the latent print issues. So perhaps--
I'll be glad to talk to Miss Clark about it. Let me ask another question too. May I?
I talked to Carl Douglas about this last week, and he indicated to me that he wanted me to stipulate to people who lifted the prints. I said, yes, just put it in writing, let me see what you want. That's all I'm asking.
They're upstairs eating donuts as I understand it right now, your Honor.
I'm concerned about the durability of this jury.
She did not tell them that she resented them. In fact, she told them the exact opposite... she thought they were rude and unprofessional in their demeanor and in the manner that they treated witnesses.
As you may know, we're going to have this officer from Chicago, Officer Berris, the officer who recovered--it may or may not be necessary to have the officer who recovered the glass which is now out here, and the glass and the bloody towel.