📄 Motion: airline tickets and baggage tag evidence — Thursday, April 6, 1995
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TRIAL
▲ Day 53 of 167

Motion: airline tickets and baggage tag evidence

Date: Thursday, April 6, 1995 • Utterances: 27
Defense attorney Barry Scheck proposed introducing the previously-excluded airline ticket and baggage tag evidence (Exhibits 15 and 16) by agreement, arguing that the jury's repeated exposure to instructions about the items had drawn more attention to them than the evidence itself. Prosecutor Hank Goldberg pushed back, calling the reversal an example of bad-faith tactical lawyering and requesting time to review the items. After Goldberg's complaint about being 'vilified,' Scheck withdrew the offer entirely.
1 MR. SCHECK:

YOUR HONOR, THE NEXT ISSUE HAS TO DO WITH THE EVIDENCE -- THE AIRLINE TICKETS.

2 THE COURT:

THE AIRLINE TICKET AND THE BAGGAGE TAG.

3 MR. SCHECK:

AND THE BAGGAGE TAG. IT IS A BANE TO US ALL AT THIS POINT, BUT IT IS AFTER CAREFUL CONSIDERATION -- THE CONCERNS THAT I EXPRESSED TO THE COURT WHEN WE HAD ALL OF THESE DIFFICULTIES, YOU KNOW, HAVE PREVAILED. I THINK THAT THERE MAY COME A TIME SOON IN THE CROSS-EXAMINATION WHERE I'M GOING TO BE INTRODUCING INTO EVIDENCE THE EVIDENCE COLLECTION SHEET THAT MR. FUNG PREPARED THAT HAS BEEN REDACTED AND THERE MAY BE PASSING REFERENCE TO THE COLLECTION OF THESE ITEMS IN THE COURSE OF THE TESTIMONY OF THIS WITNESS AND PERHAPS MISS MAZZOLA, AND IT JUST SEEMS THAT --

I DON'T WANT THE JURY TO THINK THAT ANYTHING IS BEING HIDDEN FROM THEM OR THAT THERE'S ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS OR THERE'S ANY -- ANYTHING LIKE THAT AT THIS POINT, AND I -- IT'S JUST THAT IT'S BECOME SUCH AN ISSUE THAT WHAT WE WOULD PREFER TO DO IS IN ANY FASHION OR FORM THE COURT THINKS IS APPROPRIATE, TO JUST INDICATE TO THE JURY THAT BY AGREEMENT OF THE PARTIES, WE'RE, YOU KNOW -- THEY CAN CONSIDER THE COLLECTION -- THESE ITEMS AND THEIR COLLECTION AND, YOU KNOW, LEAVE IT AT THAT. I JUST WANT IT IN. I DON'T WANT ANY --

4 THE COURT:

SO YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT NOW MR. SIMPSON IS WILLING TO WAIVE THE 1538.5 ISSUE AS TO THE AIRLINE TICKET AND THE BAGGAGE TAG?

5 MR. SCHECK:

WELL, NO. ONE SECOND.

6 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN DEFENSE COUNSEL.)
7 MR. SCHECK:

WE DON'T WANT TO WAIVE THAT, BUT WHAT WE'RE REALLY SAYING IS THAT IN TERMS OF THE -- WE DID NOT CREATE THIS SITUATION. IT SHOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED IN THE FIRST PLACE. IT SHOULDN'T HAVE COME IN AND THEN IT SHOULDN'T HAVE COME IN A SECOND TIME, AND WE DID PROFFER PROPOSED INSTRUCTIONS; AND THE COURT DECIDED IN ITS PROPOSED INSTRUCTIONS FIRST TO TELL THE JURY TO DISREGARD IT AND THEN THE NEXT TIME TO TELL THE JURY IT WAS IRRELEVANT.

AND JUST BY THE WAY IT ALL OCCURRED, IT CALLED MORE ATTENTION TO IT THAN WE THOUGHT. AND SO IT'S REALLY NOT SO MUCH A WAIVER OF OUR 1538.5 ISSUE. WHAT IT IS AT THIS POINT IS A QUESTION OF REMEDY.

AND IN TERMS OF THE REMEDY, WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING IS -- IS THAT -- THAT THE JURY -- THAT WE JUST ALLOW TO PUT BEFORE THE JURY THE FACT THAT THESE ITEMS EXIST AND THAT THEY WERE COLLECTED AND THE APPROPRIATE PAPERWORK. WE DON'T WANT -- WE DON'T WANT CONFUSION OR ANY BELIEF THAT SOMETHING'S BEING HIDDEN. THAT'S ALL.

8 THE COURT:

SO AS A MATTER OF TRIAL TACTICS, WITHOUT WAIVING THE 1538.5 ISSUE FOR ANY LATER LITIGATION, YOU'RE WILLING TO ALLOW 14 AND 15 TO BE PRESENTED TO THE JURY; IS THAT CORRECT?

9 MR. SCHECK:

15 AND 16.

10 THE COURT:

15 AND 16.

11 MR. SCHECK:

THAT'S CORRECT.

12 THE COURT:

IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO THE PEOPLE?

13 MR. GOLDBERG:

YOUR HONOR, OBVIOUSLY I WAS FLABBERGASTED THIS MORNING WHEN COUNSEL MADE THIS PROPOSAL TO ME, THAT HE WANTED TO INTRODUCE THESE ITEMS IN LIGHT OF WHAT HAD HAPPENED. THE COURT WILL RECALL --

14 THE COURT:

YOU DON'T NEED TO REMIND ME.

15 MR. GOLDBERG:

OKAY. TWICE DURING THAT HEARING, DURING THAT INCIDENT, I SAID, WHY DOESN'T THE DEFENSE AND WHY ISN'T THE DEFENSE MAKING A GOOD FAITH OFFER OF PROOF TO THIS COURT OR STATEMENT TO THIS COURT THAT THEY DON'T INTEND TO PUT THAT EVIDENCE IN OR THAT THEY FEEL THAT EVIDENCE IS SOMEHOW HARMING THEM OR PREJUDICING THEM WHEN I WAS TRYING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF PREJUDICE.

AND THEY NEVER MADE SUCH A REPRESENTATION TO THIS COURT. THEY NEVER SAID, WELL, YOUR HONOR, WE NEVER WOULD HAVE PUT THAT IN. IT DOES HURT US. AND NOW SUDDENLY THEY'RE COMING FORWARD AND SAYING, WE WANT THEM IN EVIDENCE.

AND IT IS MORE EVIDENCE IN MY JUDGMENT OF THE VERY PERSONAL NATURE OF THE KIND OF LAWYERING THAT HAS GONE ON UNNECESSARILY IN THIS COURTROOM, OF TRYING TO VILIFY AN ATTORNEY WHEN THERE ARE NO LEGAL RIGHTS OF THE OTHER SIDE THAT HAVE BEEN COMPROMISED OR INJURED OR THAT THEY WERE EVEN REPRESENTING WERE COMPROMISED AND INJURED.

16 THE COURT:

WELL, MR. GOLDBERG, BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR DOWN THAT PARTICULAR AVENUE OF ARGUMENT, DO YOU AGREE TO THAT OR NOT? YES OR NO?

17 MR. GOLDBERG:

YOUR HONOR, IT WAS PROPOSED TO US THIS MORNING. WE DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE AIRLINE TICKETS.

AS I SAID TO THE COURT, THOSE AIRLINE TICKETS WERE SOMETHING THAT I DEEMED TO HAVE NO RELEVANCE AT ALL, NOT HELPFUL TO THE PROSECUTION, NOT HELPFUL TO THE DEFENSE, AND WE WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE AIRLINE TICKETS -- AND I TOLD MR. SCHECK THIS -- BEFORE AGREEING TO THAT.

BUT IF THE COURT WERE GOING TO INTRODUCE THOSE ITEMS -- AND THE COURT MAY, VERY WELL MAY, AND I SIMPLY AM REQUESTING THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A LOOK AT THEM -- WE WOULD ASK THAT THE COURT WITHDRAW THE ADMONITION THAT HAD BEEN GIVEN TO THE JURY AT THE TIME THAT THE VIOLATION OCCURRED BY PLACING THAT EVIDENCE IN FRONT OF THE JURY AND SAY THAT THEY ARE ENTIRELY TO DISREGARD IT.

18 THE COURT:

WHAT I WOULD PROBABLY DO IS TELL THEM THAT THE PARTIES HAVE CONSULTED WITH EACH OTHER AND HAVE AGREED THAT THIS EVIDENCE, DESPITE THE PREVIOUS AGREEMENT, THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR MINDS, HERE IT IS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOODBYE.

KEY QUOTE
19 (BRIEF PAUSE.)
20 THE COURT:

MR. GOLDBERG, HOW LONG DO YOU NEED TO EXAMINE THE TICKET AND THE BAGGAGE TAG? HOW LONG DO YOU NEED TO MAKE UP YOUR MIND WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO DO THAT?

21 MR. GOLDBERG:

IT'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO REQUIRE UNTIL THIS AFTERNOON, YOUR HONOR, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET THOSE ITEMS AND THEY ARE NOT HERE IN THIS BUILDING.

22 THE COURT:

ALL RIGHT.

23 MR. GOLDBERG:

BUT I WOULD SAY, YOUR HONOR, IN RESPONSE TO THE COURT'S ALTERNATIVE, I WOULD JUST ASK THE COURT TO THINK ABOUT THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS AND WHETHER OR NOT IT IS APPARENT THAT WHAT HAPPENED HERE WAS AN ATTEMPT TO, IN THE EYES OF THE JURY, TRY TO DIMINISH THE PROSECUTION OR THIS PROSECUTOR FOR TACTICAL REASONS THAT BORE -- NOTHING -- THAT HAD NO RELATIONSHIP TO ANY RIGHTS OF THIS DEFENDANT OR ANY PREJUDICE THAT HAD BEEN CAUSED TO HIM.

AND IF THAT IS THE CASE, YOUR HONOR, THAT THE APPROPRIATE THING TO DO WOULD BE TO WITHDRAW THAT SANCTION THAT THE COURT IMPOSED ALTOGETHER AND PERHAPS EVEN GIVE A COUNTER ADMONITION DRAFTED BY THE PEOPLE, NOT TO PENALIZE THE DEFENSE IN ANY WAY, BUT SIMPLY TO TRY TO ERASE ANY PREJUDICE THAT THE PEOPLE SUFFERED AS A RESULT OF THE ADMONITION THAT THE COURT GAVE.

24 THE COURT:

ALL RIGHT. MR. SCHECK, DO YOU STILL WISH TO OFFER?

25 MR. SCHECK:

ONE SECOND.

26 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN DEFENSE COUNSEL.)
27 MR. SCHECK:

YOUR HONOR, I DON'T THINK WE DID ANYTHING TO VILIFY ANYBODY, BUT IN LIGHT OF THIS RESPONSE, LET'S JUST FORGET IT.

KEY QUOTE

Temperature

tense

Key Quotes (4)

Barry Scheck
I DON'T WANT THE JURY TO THINK THAT ANYTHING IS BEING HIDDEN FROM THEM OR THAT THERE'S ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS.
Scheck's stated rationale for the reversal — prior court instructions to disregard the evidence had backfired by highlighting it.
Hank Goldberg
IT IS MORE EVIDENCE IN MY JUDGMENT OF THE VERY PERSONAL NATURE OF THE KIND OF LAWYERING THAT HAS GONE ON UNNECESSARILY IN THIS COURTROOM, OF TRYING TO VILIFY AN ATTORNEY WHEN THERE ARE NO LEGAL RIGHTS OF THE OTHER SIDE THAT HAVE BEEN COMPROMISED.
Goldberg accuses the defense of using the earlier evidence dispute as a tactical attack on him personally, not a legitimate legal argument.
Lance A. Ito
WHAT I WOULD PROBABLY DO IS TELL THEM THAT THE PARTIES HAVE CONSULTED WITH EACH OTHER AND HAVE AGREED THAT THIS EVIDENCE, DESPITE THE PREVIOUS AGREEMENT, THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR MINDS, HERE IT IS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOODBYE.
Ito's characteristically blunt summary of what a jury instruction would look like — a rare flash of dry humor cutting through the procedural dispute.
Barry Scheck
YOUR HONOR, I DON'T THINK WE DID ANYTHING TO VILIFY ANYBODY, BUT IN LIGHT OF THIS RESPONSE, LET'S JUST FORGET IT.
Scheck abruptly withdraws the offer after Goldberg's accusations, ending the entire discussion without resolution.

Evidence (3)

15
Airline ticket
Defense proposed introducing by agreement; offer ultimately withdrawn
16
Baggage tag
Defense proposed introducing by agreement; offer ultimately withdrawn
Informal
Evidence collection sheet prepared by Dennis Fung (redacted version)
Referenced by Scheck as upcoming exhibit during cross-examination

Notable Exchanges (3)

Barry ScheckLance A. Ito
Scheck proposes introducing the airline ticket and baggage tag; Ito immediately asks whether Simpson is waiving the 1538.5 suppression issue; Scheck confers with co-counsel off the record and clarifies this is about remedy, not waiver.
strategic
Hank GoldbergLance A. Ito
Goldberg launches into a speech about the defense's bad-faith lawyering; Ito cuts him off with 'WELL, MR. GOLDBERG, BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR DOWN THAT PARTICULAR AVENUE... DO YOU AGREE TO THAT OR NOT? YES OR NO?'
heated
Hank GoldbergBarry Scheck
After Goldberg's accusation that the defense had been 'vilifying' him for tactical reasons, Scheck withdraws the offer entirely rather than continue negotiating.
tense

Light Moments (1)

Lance A. Ito
Ito's mock jury instruction: 'THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR MINDS, HERE IT IS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOODBYE.' — delivered with obvious impatience.

Credibility Attacks (1)

⚔ Hank Goldberg
Implied misconduct / tactical bad faith
Scheck's framing of the airline ticket fiasco — that the evidence 'shouldn't have come in' and twice required remedial jury instructions — implicitly blamed prosecution handling; Goldberg responded by accusing the defense of using the episode to 'vilify' him personally before the jury.

Witness Demeanor

(DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN DEFENSE COUNSEL.)
(BRIEF PAUSE.)
(DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN DEFENSE COUNSEL.)

Objections

None recorded
Proceeding 5624 • 27 utterances
Criminal Trial
Department 103
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