These keys, when they say they fit the condominium, there's no foundation for this question, and they know it, because the keys had been changed by the time they got through all the -- the locks had been changed, keys.
The foundation is this, sir: Detective Lange determined that Nicole Brown had given a key to her friend, Cora Fischman; that with that key, he had a lock made; that the keys found in Mr. Simpson's bag opened the lock that was made from -- from that key, and that there was --
We can put that in through Detective Lange, that he received a key from Cora Fischman, that he took that key and had a lock made; that that key worked; that he then took the keys found -- that Mr. Simpson had, and those keys worked that lock.
Wait. I'm trying to digest this. Who's going to testify that Nicole Simpson gave the key to Cora Fischman?
That she supplied the key; Detective Lange took the key, because before the 17th, the lock was changed, so Detective Lange took the key that Cora Fischman says Nicole Brown gave to her and had a lock made; that the key worked that lock.
They then took two of the keys they found in Mr. Simpson's bag, and they both worked the lock. And that lock was the lock for the front gate and the front door.
Your Honor, also Barry Scheck's house key fit that lock. If they're going to put it on, I want the lock here and I want the full foundation, because this is a sham, and that's why it wasn't used in the first trial. And for them to say that it only would fit that key is a quantum leap and isn't what happened.
KEY QUOTEEverybody -- when they made that demonstration, everybody who had a key that looks like this Schlage key, it fit. So I object to this, and require them to -- request the Court to require them to go point by point through this.
It is a quantum leap to get the jury to believe that only the key that was in Mr. Simpson's bag would fit that lock.
We don't think we have the obligation to say only -- what we're showing is Mr. Simpson had two keys in his bag that fit the lock to Nicole Brown's house; that's all we're saying.
If that were the case, this is not the lock of Nicole Brown's house; it's a lock they had made. Now they have to put on the foundation for that.
There was a locksmith, like a locksmith that changed the locks at Detective Lange's department with respect to creating the original, that lock.
It makes a lot of difference, because it gives an implication to this jury that Mr. Simpson had a key that fit the lock.
I want them to put it on in the proper order. You keep telling me to put things on in the proper order.
All right.
They say it fit; this key goes into this lock, and this is Nicole Brown's lock.
It isn't Nicole Brown's lock; it is a lock they made. Have them put it in here, the locksmith. They can take the key that's in evidence and demonstrate that. This is such a great deal; put it right in the lock and say, this key fits this lock.
And do that. They don't need it if this is just trying to get out of him what he's not -- doesn't have any personal knowledge and everything he -- if everything he did is viewed and all his testimony is hearsay, and let him do it the right way.
He got the key from Cora Fischman. He caused the lock to be made from that key, and he then tried the keys found in Mr. Simpson's bag in that lock, ascertaining that those keys opened that lock.
If Mr. Baker wants to put on testimony --
Can we have the witness who the locksmith is? I think it's a locksmith that worked under his direction.
We'll ask him what he knows of the locksmith, if the locksmith worked under his supervision or not.
Mr. Baker is articulating an objection that I see. The objection is this: The objection is that how can this witness testify that this locksmith made a lock that fit the particular key that works Nicole's gate?
Can I add one fact that I just verified the deposition of Cora Fischman. Cora Fischman describes a key that belonged to, quote, "anyone." She had specific knowledge that Nicole Brown Simpson --
We can do it that way.
May we first ask this witness if he observed the locksmith? If he didn't, we understand where we have to go.
If he did -- if he did observe the locksmith make the lock from the key and he then took that lock and tried the key, it seems to me, he has as much personal knowledge.
Mr. Brown changed the locks around June 15, 16, 17. Right after Nicole's death, he changed the locks.
The police didn't know he was doing it. He did it on his own. Mr. Brown did it on his own.
All he had were these keys to her house; they didn't have the locks. So they had the locksmith --
If the locksmith testifies it's same key that Cora Fischman had, fine. You can argue the logical conclusion from that.
I don't want to violate the order.
May I ask him one question, which is: Was he present when the locksmith did whatever he did. If he wasn't, that will be the last question.
If he observed the locksmith make the lock and he physically took the lock, then the foundation is, he has personal knowledge if he's physically there when the locksmith is making the lock.
Well, because we thought we could put this in, but we'll ask him if he was there. We think -- we think we can proceed.
Your Honor, you know how you have those little locks on the bathroom door that you can stick any stick into, any pen or anything else, and you can pop them open? Or you can put the key that comes -- that we put on the nail above and lock our kids out of there. You can make a lock so that you can open it with any key in the world.
That's what they did. That's what the point is, you don't have to -- you don't have to know that. The point is that if that -- that's the foundation that they need to put on before they ask him any questions about the lock, that this lock only fits that.
KEY QUOTEThe locksmith didn't go to Cora Fischman and get a key; he got a key from Detective Lange and made a lock to fit that key. That was the extent of his participation.
I guess we should just ask Detective Lange if he gave a key to a locksmith, so we have that part of foundation.
Also Barry Scheck's house key fit that lock. If they're going to put it on, I want the lock here and I want the full foundation, because this is a sham, and that's why it wasn't used in the first trial.
You can build a lock every key will fit.
You know how you have those little locks on the bathroom door that you can stick any stick into, any pen or anything else, and you can pop them open? ... You can make a lock so that you can open it with any key in the world.
I don't think I'm going to let this evidence come in without a locksmith.