Defense attorney Bob Blasier cross-examined Officer Riske, the first uniformed officer at the Bundy crime scene, focusing on two main areas: his lack of training in crime scene preservation and DNA evidence handling, and a detailed reconstruction of Detective Fuhrman's movements and whereabouts throughout the night. Blasier methodically built a timeline using a diagram, marking positions F1 through F5 to account for — and identify gaps in — Fuhrman's presence at the scene, including an unaccounted half-hour period.
# 1 Q: Officer Riske, good morning?
# 3 Q: My name is Bob Blasier and I represent Mr. Simpson.
As I understand your testimony, one of your responsibilities was to secure the crime scene so that the evidence could be collected properly?
# 5 Q: Now, when you were at the academy, did you receive any training in crime scene processing?
# 7 Q: In fact, they just glossed over that topic at academy, didn't they?
# 9 Q: And prior to the time that you were at this particular scene, had you received any training at all in terms of how evidence is collected for a possible DNA testing?
# 11 Q: Did you have any level of knowledge at all as to the quantities of biological material that might be enough to result in a DNA test?
# 13 Q: Did you have any training at all in the area of how evidence might be contaminated with other biological fluids?
# 14 MR. KELLY: Objection. Relevance.
# 15 THE COURT: Sustained.
# 16 Q: (BY MR. BLASIER) What is the crime scene log..
# 17 A: Crime scene log is just a log of people's
names and the times they arrived.
# 20 Q: And that's a very important document to record who's at the crime scene; isn't it?
# 22 Q: Is that standard procedure at a homicide scene particularly?
# 23 A: Particularly, yes. We use them a lot.
# 24 Q: And who's responsibility is it to ensure that the log is accurate?
# 25 A: The person that does it.
# 26 Q: And when an officer arrived at the scene, whose responsibility is it to check in?
# 28 Q: The officer who arrives at the scene?
# 29 A: The keeper of the log should chase him down if he doesn't check in himself.
# 30 Q: And who is the officer that kept the log at this crime scene?
# 31 A: I believe it was Officer Cummings.
# 32 Q: Do you recall when that log was started?
# 34 Q: Let me show you exhibit 846. May I have a stipulation?
# 36 Q: (BY MR. BLASIER) The Bundy crime scene log, why don't you take a look at that. Does that look like the log of activity at the Bundy crime scene?
# 37 A: Looks like a crime scene. I never saw the log until the trial.
# 39 MR. PETROCELLI: 829.
# 41 THE COURT: Excuse me.
# 42 MR. BLASIER: The exhibit is 829.
# 43 Q: (BY MR. BLASIER) What time did you arrive at Bundy?
# 45 Q: Now, you were in uniform on June 13, , were you not?
# 47 Q: And what color is that uniform?
# 48 A: It's actually a dark blue. It looks like --
# 49 Q: Blue back. What type of material is the uniform made of?
# 51 Q: Are all the officers, the uniform officers wearing the same color?
# 53 Q: Uniform. Hundred percent wool?
# 54 A: You can buy them polyester but I don't do it.
# 55 Q: Now, when the witness's stopped you and described that there was a dead woman up the walkway, did they point out the body to you at that time?
# 57 Q: Where were you standing when you were told that?
# 58 A: On the east curb in front of 874 south Bundy.
# 59 Q: Now the east curb would be which side of the street?
# 61 Q: Which side in relation to where the bodies were found?
# 62 A: The opposite side.
# 63 Q: And where did you go from there?
# 64 A: Over to the gas area 875.
# 65 Q: How did you -- did you cross the sidewalk at that time?
# 66 A: I crossed the street.
# 67 Q: And did you cross the sidewalk as well?
# 69 Q: How did you get to the grassy area without crossing the sidewalk?
# 70 A: We went in the direction of the grassy area. We didn't go on the grassy area. We were standing --
# 71 Q: Okay. So where did you stop?
# 72 A: On the strip of the grass before the sidewalk, before --
# 73 Q: Between the sidewalk and the street?
# 75 Q: And it was -- you were able to see Nicole Brown Simpson's body from that point, correct?
# 76 A: Not at first, no.
# 77 Q: Well, at some point, your were able to see the body from that location, weren't you?
# 79 Q: And there was actually light coming from the inside of the condominium because the door was open, correct?
# 80 A: There was a little bit of light coming out of the door but the lights on the interior were off.
# 81 Q: The interior lights of the condominium were off?
# 83 Q: Were they down or were they off?
# 85 Q: How do you know that they were down as opposed to on at full intensity?
# 87 Q: At what point did you become aware that you could see bodies from where you were standing on the grassy area?
# 88 A: After we had been directed by the witnesses.
# 89 Q: And so you look in that direction at that time and you could see Nicole Brown Simpson's body?
# 90 A: Using my flashlight, yes.
# 91 Q: Can you see it without your flashlight?
# 92 MR. KELLY: Objection. Hypothetical. He didn't have the opportunity to. He indicated he saw it with his flashlight.
# 93 THE COURT: Sustained.
# 94 Q: (BY MR. BLASIER) Did you look without your flashlight at all?
# 96 Q: Let me show you exhibit 1439. I apologize for the picture.
Does this appear to be a picture of a view that you had from the grassy area?
# 97 (The instrument herein described was marked for identification as Defendant's Exhibit No. 1439.) # 99 Q: Do you know when that picture was taken?
# 101 Q: Now, describe the lighting along the walkway.
# 102 MR. KELLY: Objection. At what time?
# 103 THE COURT: Sustained.
# 104 Q: (BY MR. BLASIER) In the morning, when you saw the body for the first time, what was the lighting along the walkway?
# 106 Q: Was there a Malibu light on along the walkway?
# 108 Q: Now, the lighting coming from the front door -- You can take that off. (Indicating to view screen.) When did you first notice that?
# 109 A: The second time I approached her.
# 110 Q: Now, the first time you approached, did you cross the sidewalk, the sidewalk that runs parallel to the street?
# 111 A: I don't believe so, no.
# 112 Q: How did you get to the grassy area without crossing the sidewalk?
# 113 MR. KELLY: Objection, argumentative.
# 114 THE COURT: It's a question. Overruled.
# 115 OFF. ROBERT RISKE: I don't understand the question.
# 116 Q: (BY MR. BLASIER) At some point you got to the grassy area between the condo and the sidewalk?
# 118 Q: Correct. How did you get there without crossing over the sidewalk?
# 119 A: I crossed the sidewalk.
# 120 Q: When you crossed the sidewalk, did you see anything unusual?
# 121 A: Bloody paw prints.
# 122 Q: Now, you saw bloody paw prints in what direction were they going?
# 124 Q: Did you follow those paw prints at any time to see how far south they weren't?
# 126 Q: How far south did they go?
# 127 A: Just to the corner of Dorothy and Bundy.
# 128 Q: Did they stop there?
# 130 Q: Now, you walked around from the front of the condominium and around the back to the alley several times during the course of that evening, right?
# 132 Q: And the paw prints, from your observation, never went up Dorothy. They ended at the corner of Dorothy and Bundy?
# 133 A: As far as I recall, yes.
# 134 Q: Was there ever a canine unit called out to determine whether a path could be found of the perpetrator or perpetrators leaving?
# 136 MR. KELLY: Objection, Your Honor.
# 137 THE COURT: Excuse me.
# 138 MR. KELLY: Relevant.
# 139 THE COURT: Sustained.
# 140 Q: (BY MR. BLASIER) When you got there, did you make any effort when you found the bodies to determine whether a perpetrator or perpetrator had just left?
# 141 MR. KELLY: Objection. Relevance.
# 142 THE COURT: Sustained.
# 143 Q: (BY MR. BLASIER) Now, when you made your first trip up the area of the bodies, you walked first on the grass and then through the dirt area?
# 145 Q: How did you walk?
# 146 A: Through the foliage to the left of the walkway.
# 147 Q: How far to the left of the walkway?
# 148 A: Just to the left of the walkway.
# 149 Q: Okay. So you walked in the closest area to the walkway without actually getting on the walkway?
# 151 Q: Did you check at all for any footprints along that dirty area before you walked there?
# 153 Q: How did you check?
# 154 A: With my flashlight.
# 155 Q: What was the ground area like?
# 156 A: It was just loamy soil covered with plants.
# 157 Q: Did you notice any cars parked either along Bundy or Dorothy?
# 159 Q: Did you ever do a check to see what cars were parked in the vicinity?
# 160 A: Me personally, no.
# 161 Q: Now, when you first saw the blood on the walkway, where were you standing when you first noticed that?
# 162 A: On a grass between the street and the sidewalk.
# 163 MR. BLASIER: I'd like you to look at -- what number is this?
MR. P. BAKER: 32.
# 164 Q: (BY MR. BLASIER) I'd like you to take a look at exhibit No. 32.
Now, when you first observed blood on the walkway, how far down the walkway had it moved?
# 165 A: About the mid point.
# 166 Q: Okay. Can you tell me, I'm going to point to what I think is the mid point, does this look about the area there?
# 167 A: It was about there.
# 168 Q: Okay. There -- so there was no blood at that point, from that point out to the sidewalk?
# 169 A: Just paw prints.
# 170 Q: What time was that?
# 172 Q: It was shortly after you arrived?
# 174 Q: After you observed the blood halfway down the walkway, what did you do?
# 175 A: Requested an ambulance and a back up and additional units.
# 176 Q: And how did you do that?
# 178 Q: And do you recall what you said on your radio?
# 180 Q: What did you do from there?
# 181 A: Just approached the female through the bushes to get a better look and I observed the male against the fence.
# 183 A: Observed the male laying against the fence.
# 184 Q: What did you do then?
# 185 A: I told my partner to go grab on to the witnesses so they didn't leave.
# 186 Q: Now, where was Officer Terrazas? He was your partner, correct?
# 188 Q: Where was he when you were walking up over the bushes and looking at the bodies?
# 189 A: He was in the grassy area to the left of the bushes.
# 190 Q: So it was at this point that you told him to go talk to the witnesses. Which particular witnesses were you referring to?
# 191 A: The female and the male.
# 192 Q: What did you do next?
# 193 A: The second time we approached, we stepped across her body and went towards the house.
# 194 Q: And as you went toward the house, you went up on the landing, correct?
# 196 Q: And you went inside the house at that point?
# 198 Q: Now, before you went inside the house, you observed that the door was more than halfway open, correct?
# 200 Q: And what kind of lighting was there on the inside? Where were the lights located?
# 201 A: I believe the lights in the kitchen were on.
# 202 Q: How about the lights in the front area, in the living room area?
# 203 A: Not that I recall, no.
# 204 Q: Now the living room area was the first area that you go into when you --
# 206 Q: -- Go in the front door, correct?
Now, when you went in the house, had you conducted any kind of inspection for possible trace evidence in the house.
# 207 MR. KELLY: Objection. Relevance.
# 208 THE COURT: Sustained.
# 209 Q: (BY MR. BLASIER) When you walked into the house, you looked for possible ransacking and possible blood, correct?
# 210 A: Looked for bloody -- for the prints or blood drops.
# 211 Q: Did you look for anything else?
# 213 Q: And when you went into the house, you then made a phone call as soon as you got in the house?
# 215 Q: And the phone was back in the kitchen, wasn't it?
# 216 A: It was right in the kitchen, dining room.
# 217 Q: Did you pick up the phone with your hand?
# 219 Q: You have any blood on your hand?
# 221 Q: Did you give any thoughts to the idea that there might be fingerprints on the phone?
# 223 Q: Did you make any effort to preserve fingerprints on the phone?
# 225 Q: Now, from that telephone, the first call you made was to?
# 226 A: The only call I made.
# 227 Q: The only call you made was to the watch commander, right?
# 229 Q: And who was that?
# 231 Q: Tell me exactly what you told him?
# 232 A: Told him we had a double homicide on Bundy and it was my belief that Mr. Simpson was somehow involved because of the photos and the return address on the envelope.
KEY QUOTE # 233 Q: So you told the watch commander in your first telephone call that you thought Mr. Simpson was somehow involved?
KEY QUOTE # 235 Q: What did you do from there?
# 236 A: We exited the house. My partner went and grabbed onto the male and the female and the dog. I went around to the north side and checked Mr. Goldman to see if he was alive.
# 237 Q: When you went around to the north side, again, you're walking out on the grassy area outside the gated area of the condo?
# 239 Q: Correct. And you're walking around to the house that's to the north of 875 south Bundy?
# 241 Q: And were you by yourself at that time?
# 243 Q: Now you walk around and from what location did you observe Mr. Goldman?
# 244 A: From outside the fence and north residence.
# 245 Q: And you had your flashlight?
# 247 Q: Can you tell me what you did?
# 248 A: Illuminated the area looking for any evidence and I approached Mr. Goldman and I touched his eyeball to see if he was alive.
# 249 Q: How did you touch his eyeball?
# 251 Q: What else did you do?
# 252 A: Just after I determined he was dead, I left the area.
# 253 Q: Did you use your flashlight to look in his pupils?
# 255 Q: Let me show you exhibit 38. It's already been introduced. Is that a photograph of Mr. Goldman's body --
# 257 Q: -- At the time you first observed him?
# 259 Q: Now, is it your testimony then you were able to shine a light in his eyes as well as touch his eyeball from the other side of that metal gate?
# 260 A: That's correct. That's the metal fence
actually, it's not a gate.
# 261 Q: Okay. The metal gate in the background?
# 262 A: That's a metal fence in the background.
# 263 Q: I'm sorry, metal back -- Let me show you this photo on the Elmo, if you get a chance.
# 264 MR. MEDVENE: Mr. Baker, can I get the number, please.
# 265 MR. BLASIER: 38. Same one.
# 266 MR. KELLY: Same pictures.
# 267 MR. BLASIER: Same picture.
# 268 Q: (BY MR. BLASIER) Is it your testimony that that picture accurately portrays the distance between Mr. Goldman's body and the back fence?
# 270 Q: Now how did you reach through the fence?
# 271 A: Just reached between the bars.
# 272 Q: After you did that, what did you do next?
# 273 A: I went back out to the street with my partner.
# 274 Q: Where did you go from there?
# 275 A: Additional units showed up and my Sergeant showed up and we discussed what we had and what we were going to do about it.
# 276 Q: And from there you went where?
# 277 A: Officer Wally and I entered the house and served it.
# 278 Q: Now, up to this point, you had not walked along the north walkway where the bloody shoe prints were, correct?
# 280 Q: And after you went into the back of the house, at what point did you go to the front landing?
# 281 A: I don't understand the question.
# 282 MR. KELLY: Objection.
# 283 MR. BLASIER: You went into the back of the house and where did you go?
# 284 MR. KELLY: Objection. Misstates his testimony.
# 285 THE COURT: It's a question.
# 286 OFF. ROBERT RISKE: I didn't enter the back of the house.
# 287 Q: (BY MR. BLASIER) You entered the front of house with Officer Wally, correct?
# 288 (Nods in the affirmative.) # 289 Q: And at that point, did you notice anybody's shoe prints?
# 290 A: Extending past the residence, not inside the house, no.
# 291 Q: Okay. But did you notice any in the area of the bodies?
# 293 Q: Can you describe the positions of those shoe prints?
# 294 A: There was a -- like a heel print on a walkway in front of her body. Then there was footprints up the steps and westbound on the landing
towards the rear.
# 295 MR. BLASIER: Stipulate to the admission of 87?
# 296 MR. KELLY: Yeah.
(The instrument herein described was marked
for identification as Defendant's
Exhibit No. 87.)
# 297 (The instrument herein described was received in evidence as Defendant's Exhibit No. 87) # 298 Q: (BY MR. BLASIER) I'm going to have you look at exhibit 87. That appear to be a diagram of an overhead view of the location of the bodies. Can we back that up a little?
Okay. Does that appear to be diagram of an overhead area of where the bodies were up to the front door?
# 300 Q: And can you show us with a pointer where the front door is in that diagram?
# 302 Q: You can't? Now, did you observe any blood drops in the area of the bloody shoe prints in that diagram?
# 303 A: I see one before the front door but I'm not going to testify to this diagram, no.
# 304 Q: But did you see any blood drops to the left of any bloody shoe prints in the area of the bodies?
# 305 A: Leaving the bodies, between the bodies and the front door, yes.
# 308 Q: Where was that located?
# 309 A: It was just prior to the front door.
# 310 Q: And how far was the front door from the bodies?
# 311 A: 30 feet, 40 feet.
# 312 Q: So within -- from the bodies up to the front door, there were no drops other than the one by the front door to the left of the shoe prints, correct?
# 314 Q: Now, the one by the front door -- well, let me ask you about in the back. The blood drops that you saw in the back, how many did you find in the driveway?
# 315 A: I didn't find any in the driveway.
# 316 Q: How many did you see in the driveway?
# 318 Q: And where was that in relation to the jeep?
# 319 A: I believe it was north of the jeep.
# 320 Q: Was that the left of any bloody shoe prints?
# 321 A: The bloody shoe prints didn't extend that
far back.
# 324 Q: How many drops did you see the entire time that you would describe as being to the left of the shoe prints?
# 325 A: I don't know. I didn't count them.
# 326 Q: More than three?
# 327 A: I don't know what the total is. I didn't count them.
# 329 A: More than one. I didn't know. I didn't count them.
# 330 Q: When you observed the ice cream, did you make any effort to look at ice cream to determine whether it had fully melted or not?
# 332 MR. KELLY: Objection. Relevance.
# 333 THE COURT: Sustained.
# 334 Q: (BY MR. BLASIER) Did you make any effort to preserve the ice cream?
# 336 MR. KELLY: Objection.
# 337 THE COURT: Sustained. What's the relevance?
# 338 Q: (BY MR. BLASIER) One of your jobs on a crime scene is to preserve it so it does not -- the crime scene does not change in such a way that it destroys your ability to determine such things as time of death?
# 339 MR. KELLY: Objection.
# 340 THE COURT: Overruled?
# 341 OFF. ROBERT RISKE: It's more preservance, nothing disturbed by other people.
# 342 Q: (BY MR. BLASIER) Is one of your goals not to keep the crime scene static in the sense of the same way as when you discover it?
# 344 Q: Did you make any effort to do that with the ice cream?
# 346 MR. KELLY: Objection.
# 347 THE COURT: Sustained.
# 348 Q: (BY MR. BLASIER) Now, when you went inside the condominium, the radio was on, correct? There was music playing?
# 350 Q: Did you make any determination whether that was a CD or whether it was a radio?
# 352 Q: Did you see any candles lit in the living room?
# 353 A: I believe there were. I don't recall.
# 354 Q: And you saw candles lit in the master bathroom?
# 355 A: Master bathroom.
# 356 Q: How many candles were there and where were they situated?
# 357 A: In the bathroom.
# 359 A: There was three and they were to the west of the bath tub on a -- there's a little landing.
# 360 Q: And the bath tub was filled with water?
# 362 Q: Did you make any determination whether the water was hot?
# 364 Q: When was the first time that you walked out the north alleyway or that you walked along that back alleyway?
# 365 A: When I went to tell my partner that we were bringing the children out.
# 366 Q: And which direction did you walk it from?
# 367 A: From the east to the west.
# 368 Q: So that would be from the front to the back?
# 370 Q: And who did you walk that with?
# 372 Q: Can you describe what's on either side of that walkway as you walk toward the back?
# 373 A: The house was on one side and there was a fence on the other.
# 374 Q: Is there any dirt area between the walkway and the wall on the right wall on the north?
# 375 A: I don't recall. I don't believe so. I don't recall.
# 376 Q: Now, there was a lot of foliage in the area of where the bodies were found and also extending along the north walkway; is there not or wasn't there?
# 377 A: In the front, yes. I don't recall where it is.
# 378 Q: Now, the back gate, when you got there, the back gate was already open, correct?
# 381 A: I don't believe so.
# 382 Q: You were able to open it with your flashlight, correct?
# 383 A: Pushed it open with my flashlight,
# 384 Q: And after you pushed it open, what did the gate do?
# 386 Q: So the gate didn't automatically swing shut and latch?
# 388 Q: Did you make any determination whether the latch on the gate was stuck open or was operable?
# 390 Q: Now, when the children were taken out, you asked Sydney Simpson a question, did you not?
# 392 Q: You asked her if her dad was OJ Simpson, didn't you?
# 393 MR. KELLY: Objection. Hearsay.
# 394 THE COURT: Sustained.
# 395 MR. KELLY: Ask the question be stricken.
# 396 THE COURT: Stricken.
# 397 Q: (BY MR. BLASIER) Did you make any effort to find out who the children's father was?
# 398 A: I think I asked her who her dad was and she told me OJ Simpson. I didn't ask her directly, OJ Simpson, no.
# 399 MR. KELLY: Objection. Ask the answer be stricken.
# 400 THE COURT: Stricken, not relevant.
# 401 MR. BAKER: I object. Goes to state of mind of this witness.
# 402 THE COURT: That was my ruling on the objection. If you want to object to my ruling, I don't think that's possible.
# 403 Q: (BY MR. BLASIER) Now, the bedrooms, where those bedroom was located, one of the bedrooms looked out to the back alleyway, correct?
# 404 A: I don't remember if this was a window in there or not.
# 405 Q: Now, the blood on the back gate, did you make any kind of diagram at the time you observed that or any time that morning memorializing exactly where the spots were on the back gate?
# 407 Q: And I believe you testified on direct that the drops and the blood on the back gate were moist, correct?
# 408 A: They appeared to be fresh, yes.
# 409 Q: They appeared to be moist?
# 410 (Nods in the affirmative.) # 411 THE COURT: He said they appeared to be fresh.
# 412 Q: (BY MR. BLASIER) Well, you said on direct that they were moist, didn't you?
# 414 Q: Now, did they keep the same appearance from the time you first saw them until you showed Detective Fuhrman those drops in the back gate?
# 415 A: As far as I recall, yes.
# 416 MR. BLASIER: Can I have 81?
# 417 Q: (BY MR. BLASIER) Let me show you exhibit that we've introduced.
Now, you see the tags down on the bottom of the gate?
# 419 Q: Those tags weren't there on the 13, were they?
# 420 A: Not while I was there, no.
# 421 Q: This picture wasn't taken on the 13th, was it?
# 423 MR. BLASIER: Could we look at 82, please?
# 424 Q: (BY MR. BLASIER) Looking at exhibit
number 82, when you observed the blood, those cards weren't there, were they?
# 426 Q: When the photographer came, what time was that?
# 428 Q: You have any recollection when the photographer got there in relation to the Detectives?
# 429 A: No. He got there before.
# 430 Q: Before the detectives?
# 431 A: (Nods in the affirmative.)
Before Detective Vannatter and Lange.
# 432 Q: Now, you showed the photographer the blood in the back driveway, correct?
# 434 Q: What else did you show him?
# 437 A: I told him about the ice cream.
# 438 Q: You see a plastic cart in the driveway in the back?
# 440 Q: You never told the photographer about anything on the back gate, did you?
# 442 Q: Now, give me your best estimate of when Detective Fuhrman and Phillips arrived?
# 443 A: Probably 2:00, 2:15.
# 444 Q: And where did you first see them?
# 445 A: You saw them parking their cars on the southeast corner of Bundy and Dorothy.
# 446 Q: And where are you -- were you standing?
# 447 A: I was standing just to the south of 875 in the street.
# 448 Q: Where did Detective Fuhrman and Phillips go first?
# 449 A: I believe they came out and talked to my watch commander.
# 450 Q: I'm sorry, talked to?
# 451 A: My commander, watch commander Sergeant Rossi.
# 452 Q: What did they do next?
# 453 A: I showed them the front of the location.
# 454 Q: And about what time was that?
# 455 A: Just shortly five, ten minutes after they arrived.
# 456 Q: What's your best estimate?
# 458 Q: Now, Your Honor, we have a copy of a chart that's from a different exhibit which we're going to have to give a new number to.
# 459 MR. KELLY: Could we see it, please?
# 460 MR. BLASIER: 2077 (sic).
(The instrument herein described was marked
for identification as Defendant's
Exhibit No. 2097.)
# 461 Q: (BY MR. BLASIER) 2097. Let me write on it. And I better write Officer Riske's name on it.
Okay. Could we put this on the Elmo, please. Can you see that diagram very well, Officer Riske?
# 463 Q: Let me give you a copy of it. Could you take a look at the copy in front of you and does that appear to be an overhead view of the condominium of Bundy?
# 465 Q: Now, now your testimony is that Detective Fuhrman and Detective Phillips were shown, by you, the front area of the condominium at about 2:20?
# 467 Q: Could we write a 2:20?
# 470 Q: Up the grass area?
# 471 A: Went up the grass area and went up the north side by Mr. Goldman's body.
# 472 Q: Let's put an F1. Yeah. Draw a line down. F1 at 2:20 AM. And approximately how long did that take?
# 473 A: Five or ten minutes.
# 474 Q: And where did Detective Phillips and Fuhrman go from there?
# 475 A: We walked down Bundy, westbound on Dorothy to the rear of the -- up the alley to the rear driveway.
# 476 Q: So this would be all the way around the block, in essence, to the back of the condominium, correct?
# 477 A: I wouldn't say around the block, no.
# 479 A: Down to Dorothy, mid block up the alley.
# 480 Q: Okay. Then when you got to the alley, what did Detective Fuhrman do?
# 481 A: He walked with me and Detective Phillips to the rear driveway, showed him the jeep, the blood on the driveway, the change and then we went to the rear gate.
# 482 Q: Now, when you went to the rear gate, you went to the rear gate with Detective Fuhrman?
# 483 A: Detective Fuhrman, Detective Phillips and Detective Ross.
# 484 Q: What time was that?
# 485 A: It was probably 2:35 or so.
# 488 Q: So you're back in the driveway area?
# 489 MR. KELLY: Your Honor, I'm going to object to any times being placed in the diagram. It's, in affect, placing testimony on an exhibit.
# 490 THE COURT: It's his exhibit. Overruled.
# 491 Q: (BY MR. BLASIER) Let's draw an F2 there. And I'm sorry, the time estimate was what, 2:35, 2:40?
# 493 Q: 2:35 to 2:40.
And what happened after that?
# 494 A: Detective Fuhrman and I stopped at the rear gate and Detective Phillips and Sergeant Rossi continued on midway down the path.
# 495 Q: So Detective Fuhrman did not walk in the back walkway, the north walkway at that time?
# 497 Q: And did you and Detective Fuhrman wait for Phillips and Rossi to come back?
# 499 Q: And then where did you go from there?
# 500 A: Detective Phillips, Fuhrman and I entered the house through the garage.
# 501 Q: And is that when you -- when you showed him the bottom floor?
# 503 Q: Did you show him upstairs -- Detective Fuhrman upstairs at that time?
# 504 A: Yes, the whole condo.
# 505 Q: And at this point you went out on the front landing?
# 507 Q: About what time was that? To your -- for your best approximation?
# 508 A: Maybe five to 3:00
# 510 A: It's only a guess, yes.
# 511 Q: And so let's put an F3 by the front landing.
Now, in this diagram, where I'm pointing, it's actually the front door, correct?
# 512 A: It's actually a little south of your finger.
# 513 Q: Okay. The front door is not right at the front of the condominium, is it?
# 515 Q: The living room area extends out more toward the seat than the front door?
# 517 Q: So the landing area where you were was how far outside the front door?
# 518 A: It's probably 30 feet to the steps.
# 519 Q: Okay. You went just to the top of the steps?
# 521 Q: Okay. And after you went to the top of the steps, where did you and Detective Fuhrman go?
# 522 A: Detective Fuhrman, Detective Phillips and
I stood right there on the landing.
# 523 Q: Okay. And for how long?
# 524 A: Maybe five minutes or so. Until we were advised that Detective Spangler arrived.
# 525 Q: Who advised you of that?
# 526 A: I believe Sergeant Coon.
# 527 Q: And what did you do then?
# 528 A: We all went back through the front door. Detective Phillips and I stayed in the kitchen and -- Detective Fuhrman and I stayed in the kitchen and Detective Phillips actually went through the garage.
# 529 Q: So when you and Detective Fuhrman were in the kitchen, what time we talking about?
# 530 A: Right around 3:00, I don't know.
# 531 Q: So let's put an F4 in the -- kitchen area is back in this area of the condominium, correct?
# 532 (Indicating to exhibit.) # 534 Q: Well it's to the --
# 535 A: It's to the rear, but --
# 537 A: On this diagram I wouldn't pick it out.
# 538 Q: But there's the living room and then I walk up toward the back of the condominium and you get to the kitchen?
# 539 A: It's a living room, dining room and then a kitchen.
# 540 Q: Okay. So you're in the kitchen. Let's put an F4. Detective Fuhrman. And that's about what time?
# 541 A: Right around 3:00 I would guess.
# 542 Q: And how long did you stay in the kitchen with Detective Fuhrman?
# 543 A: A couple minutes. Until the Detective Phillips and Lieutenant Spangler came back.
# 544 Q: And when Phillips and Spangler came back, which direction did they come from?
# 545 A: Through the garage.
# 546 Q: What happened then?
# 547 A: I leave the house.
# 548 Q: What did Detective Fuhrman do?
# 549 A: He stayed with Phillips and Spangler.
# 550 Q: Now, when you left the house, when did you next see Detective Fuhrman?
# 551 A: I really don't know, half hour.
KEY QUOTE # 552 Q: Did you see what Detective Fuhrman was doing during that half hour?
# 554 Q: Did you ever see Detective Fuhrman walking down the north alleyway at Bundy.
# 556 Q: And Detective Fuhrman, this entire time, he never wore a coat, correct?
# 558 Q: Well, you testified on direct that he was wearing slacks and a shirt?
# 560 Q: Correct. But he did not have a coat on, did he?
# 562 Q: Now, after that half hour, where did you first see Detective Fuhrman again?
# 563 A: In the rear driveway.
# 564 Q: And what happened at that time?
# 565 A: I believe he just told me that RHD was on their way to take over.
# 566 Q: About what time is that?
# 567 A: I really don't know.
# 568 Q: How long after you had been in the kitchen? You said that you didn't see him for about a half an hour.
# 569 A: I really didn't know, sir.
# 570 Q: So let's put an F5 back in the driveway. And it's at least, if you're in the kitchen about :00, you said it was about a half hour that you didn't see him. It was at least 3:30 at that point?
# 571 MR. KELLY: Objection.
# 572 OFF. ROBERT RISKE: I couldn't say what time it is.
# 573 THE COURT: Excuse me?
# 574 MR. KELLY: Misstates his testimony. Argumentative. He said he doesn't know what he said. He didn't know what time.
# 575 THE COURT: Sustained. Save it for argument.
# 576 Q: (BY MR. BLASIER) Now, it was at that point that Detective Fuhrman and Detective Phillips said that robbery homicide was on the way?
# 577 A: I believe it was just -- Detective Fuhrman told me that.
# 578 Q: What happened then?
# 579 A: I believe he went back inside. I'm not sure.
# 580 Q: Detective Fuhrman?
# 582 Q: And how long did he stay in inside, do you know?
# 584 Q: Did he go in there with anybody else?
# 585 A: Phillips and Spangler were already in there.
# 586 Q: Well, you said from the back driveway you saw Detective Fuhrman go back in. Was Phillips there in the back driveway at the same time; and Spangler?
# 587 A: No, they were in the residence.
# 588 Q: Okay. So when you got the information from Fuhrman that robbery homicide was on its way, he was there with you in the back driveway. Do I have that correct?
# 589 A: He came out of the garage, approached me and my partner and went back inside.
# 590 Q: Okay. And how long did he stay inside?
# 592 Q: When did you next see him?
# 593 A: I really don't know.
# 594 Q: Did you see him again at all?
# 595 A: No, I saw him again but I don't know what the time was.
# 596 Q: Did you see the photographer taking any pictures prior to the time that Detective Fuhrman and Phillips arrived?
# 598 Q: When did you first notice the photographer taking pictures?
# 599 A: When I was in the rear alley.
# 601 A: It was after Lieutenant Spangler arrived and I left the house.
# 602 Q: Okay. Before you were told about robbery homicide or after?
# 603 A: I really don't know.
# 604 Q: And where was he taking pictures?
# 605 A: He took a shot in the alley from Dorothy and then he was just taking a couple of pictures in the rear and I told him not to step in the evidence.
# 606 Q: It was still dark then. Still the middle of the night?
# 608 Q: Now at some point, Detective Fuhrman and Detective Phillips leave the -- left the Bundy scene?
# 610 Q: That before or after Vannatter and Lange arrived?
# 612 Q: And, in fact, when Detective Fuhrman and Detective Phillips left, Detective Lange and Detective Vannatter left with them, correct?
# 613 A: I don't know. I didn't see them leave.
# 614 Q: After Fuhrman and Phillips left, did you see any Detectives at the Bundy crime scene until they came back?
# 615 A: I believe there was two detectives from west L.A. I think one of them was Roberts and I don't remember the other one. They were just standing around.
# 616 Q: Let me -- I'm sorry?
# 617 A: They were just standing around in the street.
# 618 Q: Let me ask you about Detective Roberts, what time did he arrive?
# 620 Q: When did you first see him?
# 621 A: When I pulled my car around to the front, around. :00, 5:30, 5:25 maybe.
# 622 Q: So this is after Fuhrman and Phillips leave, correct?
# 623 A: No they approach me and my car was already in the front when they approached me and asked for directions to Rockingham and Phillips gave them the phone.
# 624 Q: And that was about 5:00. I'm sorry. What would you say the time was?
# 625 A: It was around 5:30, 5:25.
# 626 Q: Okay. And who was there? Detective Roberts was, Detective Fuhrman was, right -- there?
# 627 A: I remember seeing Roberts. Seems like he was there after they asked me directions.
# 628 Q: Okay. And who all asked you directions?
# 629 A: I think Phillips asked me directions.
# 630 Q: Okay. And this was yours in the front area of Bundy?
# 632 Q: On the sidewalk? On the street? Where?
# 634 Q: So back in the front area, we have Roberts and Phillips at about 5:15; is that what you said?
# 636 Q: I'm sorry what did you say?
# 637 A: I said I parked my car out there between :25 and 5:30.
# 638 Q: Okay. That's when you saw them and were asked for directions?
# 641 A: They asked for directions about 5:30. I saw Roberts after that time.
# 642 Q: All right. So at 5:30 and you see Roberts after that?
# 644 Q: And you had not seen Roberts up to that time, correct?
# 648 Q: Do you remember how Detective Roberts got there? Did you ever see a vehicle --
# 650 Q: -- That he came in?
Now, when you -- when you were out front, as you described, with Phillips, Phillips asked for directions about 5:30, 5:35?
# 652 Q: 5:25, I'm sorry. That was before the picture of Fuhrman pointing at the glove was taken, correct?
# 654 Q: And what time was the picture of Fuhrman pointing at the glove taken? Your best approximation?
# 655 A: Between 6:30 and 6:45, maybe.
KEY QUOTE # 656 Q: And where were you when you saw that?
# 657 A: Standing on the street directly in front of the residence.
# 658 Q: And where was, well -- we know where Fuhrman was standing in the photograph. He was standing right by the body of Nicole Brown Simpson, correct? And that was about 6:30?
# 660 Q: Okay. Let's write down the Roberts and Phillips in the front area?
# 661 A: I would put Roberts more towards the Bundy and Dorothy corner.
# 662 Q: But in the area of the front?
# 664 Q: In the area of the front, when you were asked for directions, towards Dorothy and Bundy?
# 665 A: He was down at Dorothy and Bundy.
# 666 Q: So let's put Roberts and Phillips.
# 667 MR. KELLY: Judge, I'd object. He's not even reflecting the testimony --
# 668 THE COURT: I think --
# 669 MR. KELLY: -- The indications he's making on the diagram --
# 670 THE COURT: I don't think --
# 671 MR. BLASIER: -- I don't want to misstate anything you've said.
# 672 THE COURT: That's not very accurate.
# 673 MR. BLASIER: Okay. Tell me again what time Roberts --
# 674 THE COURT: I think the complaint that you're drawing on it, on a diagram that has nothing to do with where Roberts was --
# 676 Q: (BY MR. BLASIER) Now, at about 6:30, :35 is when the pointing picture was taken?
# 678 Q: The picture of Fuhrman pointing at the glove, right?
# 680 Q: Who else was in that general area when that picture was taken, if anybody?
# 684 MR. BLASIER: May I have a minute, Your Honor?
# 685 Q: (BY MR. BLASIER) Now at the time that picture was taken with Mark Fuhrman pointing at the glove, it was daylight; wasn't it?
# 687 Q: How dark was it?
# 688 A: It was like dawn, just becoming dawn. Just started to get light.
# 689 Q: Did you still need to use flashlights?
# 690 A: Kind of subjective. I mean, to stand on the street to look for evidence, probably.
# 691 Q: You could see clearly, Detective Fuhrman, from your advantage point out in front, you could see Detective Fuhrman clearly pointing at the glove and the picture being taken, correct?
# 693 Q: You didn't need a flashlight for that?
# 695 Q: Now, when did officer Spangler arrive?
# 696 A: Lieutenant Spangler.
# 697 Q: Lieutenant Spangler?
# 698 A: Prior. Possibly 3 o'clock when we went back in the house.
# 699 Q: And where were you when you first saw Lieutenant Spangler?
# 700 A: In the kitchen with Detective Fuhrman.
# 701 Q: And how did -- where was he when you saw him?
# 702 A: Coming in the house with Detective Phillips.
# 703 Q: Coming in the front of the house or the back?
# 705 Q: The back. When the picture of Detective Fuhrman pointing at the glove was taken, where was the blood on the sidewalk? How far down the sidewalk had it gone?
# 706 A: Maybe to the north west or the north south sidewalk, where they meet.
# 707 Q: Where the sidewalk in front of that more or less the street that meets the sidewalk that goes up to the condominium?
# 709 Q: Thank you. That's all I have.