Now, Mr. Matheson, there was some discussion during your cross-examination about the evidence items being packaged in a box in the serology department, the various evidence items from this case.
How were those items contained inside the box?
Okay. What we were talking about are the items that have the biological evidence on them that are freezer storage, and they were kept in one large box for simplicity. But each item inside is packaged individually or independently.
To give you an example, I've described before the process of doing the swatches and placed inside a bindle, and the bindle placed inside an envelope, just a small manila envelope. Then all of those envelopes, because they were going into a larger box, were placed into another envelope, not sealed, but just placed there so that they could be easily found.
And items like clothing items that are a little bit larger, they are put into closed paper bags. And items such as the carpeting, because it's kind of large and won't fit into a paper bag, a large piece of butcher paper is used to enclose it or wrap the evidence inside of it.
Also, you were asked some questions about the examination by Colin Yamauchi on August the 4th of the socks. This was after your June 29 meeting. When you inventoried the items, did you, yourself, after June 29, ever do an examination of the socks?
It's not apparent, no. It's very difficult to see anything on it. It just looked like the same material.
And by the time you looked at them, were you aware of the fact that Mr. Yamauchi had already discovered the existence of in blood on the socks?
Well, the socks are very, very dark, like I said in my inventory, I'm not sure whether a navy blue or a black. But they were, in essence, black.
Blood, when it dries, can also be very dark. In order to do an examination of something like that, you do it in a laboratory condition that I did in this case.
You have high intensity lights that can be placed near the surface to be able to see it. And it seems -- it just takes looking at the material, like walking into a dark room where you can't see anything, and allowing your eyes to adjust to it with these socks. If you look at them and allow your eyes to adjust to the color of the sock, you -- eventually, you start making out the darker areas that had blood-stained areas.
After a little while, it becomes very easy to pick out the areas that are actually stained, once you become accustomed to the slight difference in color.
Other than making that kind of close examination, is the blood readily apparent on the socks?
(BY MR. LAMBERT) Finally, Mr. Blasier asked you some questions about whether it would be possible for the blood from the reference samples to be mixed together.
Are you aware of anyone ever mixing together the reference samples in the case?
It just takes looking at the material, like walking into a dark room where you can't see anything, and allowing your eyes to adjust to it with these socks. If you look at them and allow your eyes to adjust to the color of the sock, you -- eventually, you start making out the darker areas that had blood-stained areas.
No, it is not.
Each item inside is packaged individually or independently.
No, I'm not.