📄 Witness recall discussion — Friday, November 1, 1996
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Witness recall discussion

Date: Friday, November 1, 1996 • Utterances: 22
The court addresses whether Detective Vannatter must return for defense cross-examination after the plaintiff concluded its direct examination. Baker argues Vannatter should return at plaintiff's expense since he's already present; Kelly argues defense should bear the cost if they want him back out of order. Fujisaki rules that since Vannatter is an out-of-state witness already in hand, he will be ordered back Monday as a defense witness at defense expense. Vannatter himself volunteers to return without being ordered.
1 (The following proceedings were held in open court outside the presence of the jury:)
2 THE COURT:

Okay. The jurors have left the courtroom, Mr. Baker.

3 MR. BAKER:

I want this witness ordered back to this trial on -- and we'll give him appropriate notice and put him on relatively early in our case.

4 MR. KELLY:

Your Honor, first of all, Mr. Vannatter is a resident of Indiana.

5 THE COURT:

I have him right here in my hands right now.

6 MR. KELLY:

I know. We're done with him. Okay.

The only thing I would ask, that, at the defense expense, if they want him back --

7 MR. BAKER:

No. They're making this compartmentalized case instead of having this lawsuit tried. If they want to do it that way, that's their strategy for whatever they want to do. I don't have any problem with that.

But I think this witness should come back. I don't think we ought to have to pay it. He's here now. I'm ready to cross-examine him for another day. I can do it on Monday, if this Court please, but to try to add expense to us for strategical reasons is insanity.

8 MR. KELLY:

Your Honor, there's no reason we should bear the expense of Mr. Baker's decision. We're bearing the expense. We brought him here now. We're putting him in our order of proof the way we want to. I don't believe we should bear the expense of when Mr. Baker wants him.

9 MR. BAKER:

I will open my case Monday morning for purposes of taking this witness out of order. And I will -- and I think I've proven to this Court already, he's a hostile witness. If not, I think I can do that with him and take him on cross-examination. I'm ready, willing and able to do that on Monday, sir.

10 MR. KELLY:

Your Honor, we --

11 MR. BAKER:

If they don't want to have the expense paid of that, then, you know, I'm ready, and there will be no expense that way.

12 THE COURT:

Well, in the first place, the plaintiff has the right to put on a witness for whatever purpose the plaintiff wants to put the witness on for, and for whatever breadth or narrowness of the testimony that he wishes to offer.

The defense has a right to put on their evidence to whatever extent that the defense wishes to put on.

With regards to expense, I think if the plaintiff has finished with his portion of the evidence, however narrow that is, and cross-examination is complete thereon, I think that's the extent of the plaintiff's expense. Defense may assume the expense of the witness thereafter if the defense wishes to.

I have heard a reference that this witness is out of state. If that is true, then I think that the defense makes a strong argument for having this witness put on out of order, and as defense witness.

You may consider him an adverse witness. Nevertheless, he's going to be your witness and your expense.

13 MR. BAKER:

Fine. I'll put him on Monday morning.

14 MR. KELLY:

Your Honor --

15 THE COURT:

He's an out-of-state witness. You will put him on now I've got my mitts on him because he's here. I will order him to return Monday, and so be it.

KEY QUOTE
16 MR. KELLY:

Well, now, I was going to ask, can he be released and we'll bring him back under your court order?

17 THE COURT:

Excuse me.

18 MR. KELLY:

Said we will undertake the obligation then return him when requested by the defense rather than upset our order of proof at this time.

19 THE WITNESS:

Judge. May I say something, Your Honor? I will return voluntarily if they want me to come back. I mean, I'm not -- I'm not hostile to anybody.

KEY QUOTE
20 THE COURT:

All right. Then you will defer until the plaintiff completes their case and your ordered to return upon the -- upon request of either counsel.

21 THE WITNESS:

Absolutely, Your Honor. I'm not -- I'm not hostile to anyone.

22 MR. MEDVENE:

Thank you very much, Your Honor.

(At 3:30 P.M., an adjournment was taken until Monday, November 4, 1996, at 8:30

A.M.)

Temperature

procedural

Key Quotes (3)

Robert Baker
I'm ready to cross-examine him for another day. I can do it on Monday, if this Court please, but to try to add expense to us for strategical reasons is insanity.
Baker signals he has extensive cross-examination planned for Vannatter and objects to bearing the logistical cost of plaintiff's sequencing strategy.
Hiroshi Fujisaki
He's an out-of-state witness. You will put him on now I've got my mitts on him because he's here. I will order him to return Monday, and so be it.
Fujisaki cuts through the argument with a practical ruling, using unusually colloquial language ('got my mitts on him').
The Witness
Judge. May I say something, Your Honor? I will return voluntarily if they want me to come back. I mean, I'm not -- I'm not hostile to anybody.
Vannatter, the subject of the dispute, interjects to volunteer his cooperation and push back on the characterization of him as a hostile witness.

Notable Exchanges (2)

Robert BakerJohn KellyHiroshi Fujisaki
Three-way dispute over who bears travel and appearance costs for recalling out-of-state witness Vannatter for defense cross-examination.
strategic
The WitnessHiroshi Fujisaki
Vannatter interjects unprompted to volunteer his willingness to return, defusing the dispute and distancing himself from the 'hostile witness' label Baker had applied.
cooperative

Light Moments (1)

Hiroshi Fujisaki
Fujisaki uses the phrase 'got my mitts on him' to describe having Vannatter physically present in court.

Objections

None recorded
Proceeding 8115 • 22 utterances
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