Let's talk a little bit about Mr. Simpson's habit when you would pick him up, what he would normally do and how he would normally act.
It's true, isn't it, that often when you would pick Mr. Simpson up, things were a little chaotic, he'd be hurrying around, picking up things?
Right.
It wasn't uncommon for him to come in and out of the house, grab an item, come out, grab something else, put it in the car, so forth and so on; he was rushing, right?
He didn't -- he didn't usually fill -- usually Michele would put something in the bag. I don't recall O.J. putting -- coming out with like a couple of shirts and putting them in a bag. Rarely.
KEY QUOTE-- is that right?
Is it fair to say that the vast majority of the times that you picked him up, Michele was there or Gigi, one of the housekeepers?
What you're saying is that, typically, if the housekeeper's there. They might be taking care of putting any last-minute items in Mr. Simpson's bag, as opposed to Mr. Simpson, correct?
Okay.
But he was the kind of guy -- as a limousine driver he might make you a little bit nervous about getting someplace on time; is that fair to say?
In other words, he wouldn't always give you enough -- as much time as you'd like to get to where you're supposed to go; is that fair to say? Cut it close?
Okay.
In fact, about a week before June 12 you had picked him up -- you picked him up and you were taking him on a trip out to LAX, had about 45 minutes to make the flight.
Do you remember that?
Do you remember on that occasion that you -- and occasions prior to that, having the feeling about Mr. Simpson as a passenger. That you were really cutting it close?
He -- I think he felt that way, that he was cutting it real close, because when he'd get in the car he'd say, we gotta go, we got a go.
KEY QUOTEOkay.
Let me see if I can understand some of the things you were saying.
You would -- you would buzz, and I guess in the vast majority of times when you buzz, Michele or even one of Mr. Simpson's adult children, Arnelle or Jason, might come out and open the gate, right, vast majority?
I don't recall someone actually coming out and opening the gate, except for a time when Michele came out, when I think the gate was not working properly.
Okay.
But the vast majority of the hundred times that you went out to pick up Mr. Simpson and you buzzed you would be talking to Michele, right?
And when -- on occasion, when you would buzz and Mr. Simpson responded, he wouldn't always respond -- you're not saying before this jury that he would respond on the first buzz on every occasion, are you?
He didn't respond necessarily on the first buzz, but he responded on the first attempt to buzz him. In other words, I would ring it once and I'd wait maybe 10 seconds. Then I would buzz it again, maybe wait 10 more seconds, and buzz it a third time, and by that third time I always had a response from somebody.
KEY QUOTENow -- okay.
From somebody. That might be Michele or someone else that's in the house, right?
Okay.
By the way, you obviously didn't pick Mr. Simpson up on the 12th, that was a fellow that was working for you; is that right?
You have no idea what Mr. Simpson was doing when he was buzzed that night, you don't know whether he was in the shower or what --
-- correct?
All right.
Now, let's talk about the dog.
You have no idea -- and I guess Mr. Simpson never discussed this with you -- you have no idea of any complaints that Mr. Simpson got from his neighbors to the ASPCA with regard to his dogs wandering the neighborhood?
(BY MR. LEONARD) And there was -- there was -- are you aware that there was another dog that would be at the Rockford (sic) location from time to time, are you aware of that?
Now, you say that you never had any discussion with Mr. Simpson about the dogs.
Were you ever there when the other dog was at the location?
Of the hundred times you were there, how often were you there that the dog was there?
I guess that didn't make --
I'm going to object. The undisputed evidence is there was only one dog there, Chachi, that night.
He didn't respond necessarily on the first buzz, but he responded on the first attempt to buzz him. In other words, I would ring it once and I'd wait maybe 10 seconds. Then I would buzz it again, maybe wait 10 more seconds, and buzz it a third time, and by that third time I always had a response from somebody.
He -- I think he felt that way, that he was cutting it real close, because when he'd get in the car he'd say, we gotta go, we gotta go. But in actuality we would make the airport with usually plenty of time.
He didn't -- he didn't usually fill -- usually Michele would put something in the bag. I don't recall O.J. putting -- coming out with like a couple of shirts and putting them in a bag. Rarely.